Ninjutsu or Wing Chun

[bart_simpson]

Hi I'm new to the forum. I know very little about martial arts.

In my community, 2 arts that have interested me are Ninjutsu and Wing Chun. I've contacted both locations and both declare they offer self defense and that their arts are "complete". What I'm looking for in a martial art is pure no nonsense self defense with both stand up and ground techniques (standing striking, striking on the ground, standing grappling, and ground grappling). Of course, weapons defense and weapons usage are important as well. So the the techniques I want in an art should have eye pokes, groin kicks, and throat chops. To my understanding, both arts have been around for a while now, so these arts weren't created by someone who just took techniques from various arts. I also understand that all arts arn't "complete"; all martial arts have their flaws.

Can you guys give some opinions (pros and cons) about each art? I'm not trying to start a "which art is better" forum, but in the end I will have to pick just one art.

Thanks guys!

[m.artist]

well with maskaki hatsumis ninjutsu there is no competitions...he doesn't like them at all. so with ninjutsu(his way) u would be getting the real deal. it teaches ground,weapons,empty hand, and all the strikes and kicks. wing chun is what bruce lee studied and he learned alot from it. it makes use of the hands for the most part compared to the feet. it teaches u to strike fast and hard. the training is hard(depending on how fit u are, and the same goes for ninjutsu) now the biggest difference b/w the 2 is that wing chun is chinese and ninjutsu(now neway) is japanese. so u will get very different training methods that will lead u to the same place, and trust me...it's a good thing...if i could, i would take both. just one more thing though. when u go the ninjutsu school to check things out(which u should do, it's a must) look for a certificate signed by the grand master masaki hatsumi, declaring that the man u are learning from is a legit teacher. he also has to be a 5th dan or higher to teach as well...if he has none of those things or isn't a 5th dan, then find a new school. but try to do both if u can. u can ge the best of both worlds if u do

[bart_simpson]

well with maskaki hatsumis ninjutsu there is no competitions...he doesn't like them at all. so with ninjutsu(his way) u would be getting the real deal. it teaches ground,weapons,empty hand, and all the strikes and kicks. wing chun is what bruce lee studied and he learned alot from it. it makes use of the hands for the most part compared to the feet. it teaches u to strike fast and hard. the training is hard(depending on how fit u are, and the same goes for ninjutsu) now the biggest difference b/w the 2 is that wing chun is chinese and ninjutsu(now neway) is japanese. so u will get very different training methods that will lead u to the same place, and trust me...it's a good thing...if i could, i would take both. just one more thing though. when u go the ninjutsu school to check things out(which u should do, it's a must) look for a certificate signed by the grand master masaki hatsumi, declaring that the man u are learning from is a legit teacher. he also has to be a 5th dan or higher to teach as well...if he has none of those things or isn't a 5th dan, then find a new school. but try to do both if u can. u can ge the best of both worlds if u do

Hi m.artist,

Thank you for your opinion. So from what you said, I guess Ninjutsu lacks competition (sparing) and Wing Chun lacks ground? If I take Ninjutsu, I won't have the quick relexes; and if I take Wing Chun, I won't have ground techniques? Of course taking both arts is good, but I'm not sure I can due to time and budget constraints.

I've also heard that a style of Wing Chun offers ground fighting, which is known as "antigrappling". Does this mean that when a grappler tackles you to the ground, they can't grapple with you?

Once again, thanks for the information. Really appreciate it!

[m.artist]

what anti grappling is, is that it teaches u to handle grapplers...how to get ur self out of locks and holds being able to still defend urself against an all out grappler. ninjutsu does not lack sparring. they should spar like crazy(once they are skilled enough) but they don't do competitions..like iska type of things....like forms and point fighting....that kind of competitions, get it? so when u do ninjutsu ur getting what u need, and the same with wing chun. no martial arts are "fully" complete so like i said taking both would give u more of an advantage in fights and seriously help u...it would be a cool combination

[bart_simpson]

what anti grappling is, is that it teaches u to handle grapplers...how to get ur self out of locks and holds being able to still defend urself against an all out grappler. ninjutsu does not lack sparring. they should spar like crazy(once they are skilled enough) but they don't do competitions..like iska type of things....like forms and point fighting....that kind of competitions, get it? so when u do ninjutsu ur getting what u need, and the same with wing chun. no martial arts are "fully" complete so like i said taking both would give u more of an advantage in fights and seriously help u...it would be a cool combination

So how would a Wing Chun guy compare to a grappler who's taken him down?

[Jun Fan]

I was taken down once in a friendly exchange on headlocks (I wasn't resisting the lock or takedown) and once he'd got in his mount he started throwing the punches at me. I deflected most and the exchange ended with my fingers locked on his larynx.
Wing Chun is simple and economical. If we get taken down then we fight like girls. Thumbs in the eyes, biting, hair pulling. You can also do that hip scoop to 'try' and get the guy off you, and even though he easily counters it, his groin comes up for just a second. Grab and twist. Wing Chun is inherently dirty fighting, the best type....

[m.artist]

So how would a Wing Chun guy compare to a grappler who's taken him down?

well it's like this...if ur in a real fight..he can't break any bones cuz that's illegal and u could sue him..but if it's like a ufc or nhb fight...then ur most likely screwed....but it all depends on the skill level of each fighter..anybody can beat anybody on any given day