Creation or Evolution?

[gregimotis]

Unfortunately when you die you'll do nothing more than rot in a box but (also unfortunately) you won't be in a position to hear me saying 'told you so'.

Isn't it interesting how the athiests - who should care the least either way what others think - are often the meanest and most vitriolic debaters

[gregimotis]

not meant for here, please disregard as I am not being allowed to delete

Not meant for here, but suprisingly appropriate.

[TNT]

Not meant for here, but suprisingly appropriate.

Thanx! Then I guess it's good that it didn't wind up being a PM. Funny how things in this universe happen for a reason ...by the way (re:your other post)....next time you steal cookies from the cookie jar .....SHARE !...lol ....be well!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I found something that will answer all our questions. scroll down and read.










If God had a name, what would it be?
And would you call it to His face if you were faced with him
In all his glory? What would you ask
If you had just one question?
D E
Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
F#m D A E
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home...

If God had a face, what would it look like?
And would you want to see, if seeing meant that you would have to
Believe in things like heaven and in Jesus
And the saints and all the prophets?
Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Back up to heaven all alone
Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe, in Rome
*Solo*

Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus
Just trying to make his way back home
Like a holy rolling stone
D sustained
Back up to heaven all alone
Just trying to make his way home
Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe, in Rome...

[Toudiyama[NL]]

It is the final proof of God's omnipotence that he need not exist in order to save us.
-- Peter De Vries


A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein

First name sounds dutch
Second statement is how I live my life
I have ethics and morals, without being rewarded for it or punished for bad behaviour
I am an atheist and therefore think there is no afterlife
I do not need to be threatened, I won't kill, I won't sleep with another mans girlfriend/wife, I try to help people within my powers

[Hikage]

Sanitarium,

I realize that you said that your post was your last, so I'll try to honor that by not posting anything that needs retorted.

I will admit tho, that I am upset that you opted to end the discussion there. You said that you knew where the discussion was going. There exists in this world people who have done the research and who know more about this debate than the average Joe you meet on the street, as we have not yet scratched the surface of this. We have only debate the common issues that come up beyond what shows up on coctail napkins. There is so much more to this. I can't help but wonder if you saw this and thus called an end to it.

Dissapointed,
Hikage

[Hikage]

I found something that will answer all our questions. scroll down and read.










If God had a name, what would it be?
And would you call it to His face if you were faced with him
In all his glory? What would you ask
If you had just one question?
D E
Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
F#m D A E
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home...

If God had a face, what would it look like?
And would you want to see, if seeing meant that you would have to
Believe in things like heaven and in Jesus
And the saints and all the prophets?
Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make his way home
Back up to heaven all alone
Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe, in Rome
*Solo*

Yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus
Just trying to make his way back home
Like a holy rolling stone
D sustained
Back up to heaven all alone
Just trying to make his way home
Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe, in Rome...

Just what does this prove?

-Hikage

[Bjjexpertise@be]

it proves that this argument is getting out of hand and that it's just the same thing over and over again.

[sherwinc]

Yes.


Just for the sake of conversation, let's take the bible and Christion specific ideas out of it for a moment - because we aren't going to get anywhere debating the ark - and talk just about the idea of 'God' as it relates to science...

I submit that 'God' does not relate to science. If 'God' is a conscious entity which created the universe then the rules of the universe cannot be applied to 'God'. God existed before the rules, God thought up the rules, and all our reasoning (including logic and physics) are based within that ruleset.

Or God does not exist, but our reasoning is still bound by the same ruleset. It's a circular problem and isn't rationally soluable based on our current perspective.

You either believe in God or you don't. You define him however you decide to. You cannot prove or disprove him. It's only your FAITH which makes God real or unreal to you, and that's kind of close to what the theists have been saying all along.

A common question is:

Q: Do you believe in God?
A: Yes
Q: Have you every heard of him?
A: No

[sherwinc]

it proves that this argument is getting out of hand and that it's just the same thing over and over again.

as long as there are different kinds of bible that exists, the problem will not solve.....

[sherwinc]

Another 8 year old thread back from the dead?

do you guys here believe in "BIBLE"????

me??? i do not believe in bible because bible is only made by unschooled man in the olden days.....

[Annagyijjk]

I do not believe in evolution. The Bible says clearly how we are created and evolution was not in the process. We were created in the image of God. And my God is not a monkey.

[jubaji]

I do not believe in evolution. The Bible says clearly how we are created and evolution was not in the process. We were created in the image of God. And my God is not a monkey.

Are you trying to say God is not complete?

[kingoftheforest]

Are you trying to say God is not complete?

If he was he wouldn't need us.

[AREAL]

What do you believe, Creation or evolution? Voice your views please .

evolution