Why do people insult certain martial arts?

[KungfuJeremy]

I'm wondering why a lot of people in this forum are always insulting martial arts systems such as tae kwon do or kungfu or mma. These are just a few martial arts that i have seen being insulted. I do not understand why certian people at this martial arts forum have so much disrespect for martial arts in general. I can understand joking, thats alright but just saying a certain style of martial arts sucks and and saying its useless is totally wrong. I know that not everyone is insulting martial arts, and i understand how you might think your art is better than another, but why go and say it sucks?

IMHO every martial art out there has something to teach and is effective in its own way. I may only know part of two styles of martial arts but i have friends who take different styles that have taught me things that have helped me out. To me a martial art is a martial art. If it works for you than learn it. if it doesnt than try something else, but dont say the style sucks because it didnt work for you, it could be a really good art, but it may have not suited you. Plus, in my opinion no art is better than all the others and no art is worse than others.


So please if at all possible can you try to insult martial art styles less.


Thanks for your time.

[Thai Bri]

Thats just a load of naive, politically correct, lets sit in a semi circle talking about whales bullshit.

Some arts are very good at taking money off people. They fill those same people with false confidence and, ultimately, put their lives at risk.

Grow up and don't be so patronisingly stupid.

Thanks for your time.

[KungfuJeremy]

you ever think its the school or the instructor and not the art.

i dont mean schools in general i mean as in the style itself.

its not the arts falt some jackass decided to slap the name of a martial arts style on a school and say false crap and demand money. thats an individual not the art.

[Thai Bri]

So, to recap, its the school not the art, but not the school but the art. And the individual.

How dare you try to take me on when you clearly have no brain. I'm insulted.

[KungfuJeremy]

" So, to recap its the school not the art, but not the school but the art. And the individual."

Thats not what i ment. I just did a bad typing job. What I ment was that the schools and instructors of certain schools are false. The style has nothing to do with the reason why people are being over charged for lessons or are not learning anything that will help them on the streets.

I mean the person or people who created the style probably wasnt thinking, i am going to make this martial art to get real rich and teach false information.

I never meant to say it was the styles fault for these things that was just an extra statement that goes with my first post. As in its alright to insult schools if you have proof that they are teaching false information, but the style itself is not the problem.

the only styles that i can think of that dont teach what they should is taebo which is meant as excersise not a martial art. And the scam about Yellow Bamboo.


Sorry if in some way i have insulted you. But you may be smarter and more superior than me,know that it does not make you right.

[Thai Bri]

No. Many other things make me right.

[MADDOG]

Hello,

It’s funny when we compare martial art styles for their effectiveness.

What do we base it on?

Let’s ask the real warriors out there – the people who put it on the line everyday. I wonder how they would compare the effectiveness of any art for what they have to do. Would they criticize an art for being too much of this or too little of that – or would they analyze it for its practicality in today’s world.

I enjoy the criticism that is displayed on this forum. When criticism is constructive we can all learn.

So lets bitch with a purpose.

Oh, by the way I cannot stand the present state of TKD – or should I call it:
Kiddy day care –or- warrior want a be aerobics - do not hit me to hard –or- do not talk about eye gouges because it will make me sick –or- when will my 7 year old be a Black Belt?

Just a frustrated old TKD MDK –who wants to bitch with a purpose!

Ed Barton

[Thai Bri]

Bitch with a purpose.

Like it.

[KungfuJeremy]

Thanks for your reply MADDOG, and i guess your right about criticism helping us all learn something.

I would thank you Thai Bri, but you didnt help me at all.

[Thai Bri]

Then my quest has been completed!

Haw haw haw!

[Lizard]

Although he didnt put it very politely, Thai Bir is correct. Some styles are better than others, example:

Martial art A: Stance with hands kept up, punches, kicks, takedowns and knee strikes.

Martial art B: Stance with arms down and legs wide apart, training big overemphasised blocks and high kicks.

Who will do best if a fight breaks out? Notice how I did not specify HOW they trained, only the techniques they prefer to use. Ill tell you, martial art B practitioner will get kicked/kneed in the nuts, they will probably fall over attemptinga high kick while under the effect of adrenaline and they will not be able to block all of practitioner A's flurry of punches.

Not all arts were created equal.

[KopyKat]

Although he didnt put it very politely, Thai Bir is correct. Some styles are better than others, example:

Martial art A: Stance with hands kept up, punches, kicks, takedowns and knee strikes.

Martial art B: Stance with arms down and legs wide apart, training big overemphasised blocks and high kicks.

Who will do best if a fight breaks out? Notice how I did not specify HOW they trained, only the techniques they prefer to use. Ill tell you, martial art B practitioner will get kicked/kneed in the nuts, they will probably fall over attemptinga high kick while under the effect of adrenaline and they will not be able to block all of practitioner A's flurry of punches.

Not all arts were created equal.

Exactly, i agree with Thai Bri as well. Its fact. Some arts have more effective things than others and some of them take longer to get good at as well.

[gregimotis]

If it works for you than learn it. if it doesnt than try something else, but dont say the style sucks because it didnt work for you, it could be a really good art, but it may have not suited you.

Well put. If you signed up for kendo then realized swordwork isn't going to help with your goal of self defense, then there isn't any reason to bag Kendo.

Similarly, Combatives type 'styles' are probably better for street defense than Muay Thai. Nonetheless, I like Muay Thai; And my girlfriend likes aikido even though she knows her Muay Thai is probably more useful for self defense.

Not everyone trains because they want to be Mr. street badass. Not every instructor labels his style as the 'street ultimate'.


There's no reason to be disrespectful.

[Thai Bri]

But you're mixing things up. "Effective" means effective as self defence. the phrase "effective in its own way" is meaningless drivel. Some styles ARE more effective than others. yes it comes down to the man in a real go, but the man with the most effective training will give him the best chance of reaching his potential.

People want it all ways. They want to believe they are learning to fight, but then get all defensive when people show them that they're not. theres a cycle they go through agains and again, and its a bit like this:0-

Yes my art is effective
Training Kata/semi contact/no grappling/one step sparring etc. is the best way to go
Full contact/grappling is not "real defence"
My spinning back kick/wrist lock etc would beat you're moves....

This goes on and on untuil they begin to see how ineffective their training is. But the ego has a self defence mechanism all its own. It then leads the owner to say

We are training an "art" here, not just body smashing
We are training our minds
We are becoming better people etc etc.

When they really have to admit that their training methods are pants they stubbornly say "but I am staying with this anyway". Guess what? When the nasty man has gone away they once again start at the beginning.

The realisation that you have spent years perfecting stupid techniques is hard. I know, I've been there. But whats the use of staying with a flawed system. One day an even nastier man will be waiting for you in a dark alley. And your chi filled rising blocks and wristy nonsense won't do a thing for you. But then its too late. And, if you survive, you'll be back to stage one yet again, but with a few additional excuses to back your ego up with.

All arts are not the same. They are not all effective.

Just tell me the last semi contact guy who won any boxing,kick boxuing, grappling, MMA match. None ever have, and none ever will.

Phew! What a rant!

[gregimotis]

But you're mixing things up. "Effective" means effective as self defence. the phrase "effective in its own way" is meaningless drivel. Some styles ARE more effective than others. yes it comes down to the man in a real go, but the man with the most effective training will give him the best chance of reaching his potential.

By this reasoning, Combatives makes no sense in the United States where I can carrry a .38 in my shirt pocket.

Or also, Learning to use a knife or baton and then carrying those weapons also are more 'effective'.


This statement:

Thats just a load of naive, politically correct, lets sit in a semi circle talking about whales bullshit. Some arts are very good at taking money off people. They fill those same people with false confidence and, ultimately, put their lives at risk.

Doesn't convince anyone of anything. It doesn't say anything except that "Thai Bri thinks you are an idiot and a loser".