How long before you submit a newbie?

[Bushido]

I would say, 30 secondes to 1 minute...

[Pornstar]

Ditto, 30 seconds tops!

[gregimotis]

I'll submit them as fast as I can the first time or two (so they know I can) then slack off and let them work for a while after that.

[Gunjin]

Defenses and Endurance

Using the 3 minute round as an example, why not wait until the last 30 seconds or minute before you submit a newbie. That way you can work on evasive moves, defensive moves, etc. Plus rolling around on the deck for a good two minutes before applying your technique will help build endurance.

Getting your newbie partner to tap in under a minute just becuase you can doens't help youself develop as a MA, except maybe your ego. Think about what benefits you can get out of training with a newbie, like defensive moves and better conditioning.

[rkcann01]

What the hell are you all talking about? Submit a newbie???

[Toudiyama[NL]]

I wouldn't, instead I would apply a submission but not commit it, then changed to a different kind of submission and so on

I yu would transform this thread to boxing, the question would be how long before you knock out a newbie?, you don't, you wait until he has some basic level

What do you try to prove by submitting a newbie that fast?

Oh and as a newbie to MMA I was still able to submit the more experienced fighters of the school rather fast even though it was more than 25 years ago since I did some Judo ( upto 4th kyu) and more than 10 years since I did some JJ (5th kyu 1 season once a week)
Had not trained for more than 3 years but did watch a lot of MMA tapes, which showed me, you might work on one submission buthave another one which you might do if the oponent reacts to the first

[shootodog]

it depends really. i wouldn't be with a noob unless we were teaching him a technique. i'd go for the sub only to give him a reference of what could happened. sometimes, when we spar, the older guys give the noob a running commentary on what's going on (and they're sparring!).

[gregimotis]

Getting your newbie partner to tap in under a minute just becuase you can doens't help youself develop as a MA, except maybe your ego. Think about what benefits you can get out of training with a newbie, like defensive moves and better conditioning.

Perhaps I should expand on my statement:

I'll submit a first day, first time student pretty quickly, especially a larger guy or someone who tries to use a lot of muscle. Then I'll slack off and roll with them after that. The first lesson in BJJ (to my way of thinking) is muscle and force can not overcome technique - and that's kinda what I'm trying to demonstrate right off the bat.

After that, then the new student should absolutly be allowed to work and practice without constant tapouts. Similarly, more advanced students can learn a lot working with new students because they can practice techniques they might not be able to pull off on a more hip grappler. Everbody gets better together.