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[jubaji]

Hello? This is reality calling. Come in anyone!

We, too, have a non-elected president. Bush wasn't elected the first time, he wasn't elected the second time either. No one seems to notice that..

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Uh, you may want to review your news sources. You seem to be missing some stuff.

[jubaji]

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(trademark of jubaji, 2005)

I await my royalty check

[koto_ryu]

I await my royalty check

If you got one for every time someone borrowed that, you'd be a rich man

[Kimpatsu]

Are you serious?

I think what Bod. is saying is that, even leaving aside the contentious nature of the 2000 election, Bush failed to secure 51% of the vote in 2004, and thus was elected by a minority of Americans.
Am I right, Bod?

[Kimpatsu]

No, Bush won by more than a million votes as far as the popular vote goes. Regardless it’s the Electoral College is what determines the presidency, which he happened to win also.

But the electoral college is demonstrably flawed, as the loser of the popular vote can still become president--which has happened at least twice.
Regardless, if Bush garnered 1 million votes more than Kerry, that makes him the winner, and Bod. is wrong; unless I misinterpreted what he was trying to claim...?

[jubaji]

I think what Bod. is saying is that, even leaving aside the contentious nature of the 2000 election, Bush failed to secure 51% of the vote in 2004, and thus was elected by a minority of Americans.
Am I right, Bod?

Maybe he doesn't understand the electoral process.

[jubaji]

But the electoral college is demonstrably flawed,

LOL

Well, thanks for the input on how our government operates! We'll file this great insight under

[Kimpatsu]

LOL

Well, thanks for the input on how our government operates! We'll file this great insight under

You don't think that losing the popular vote but becoming president isn't a flaw?

[jubaji]

Sorry, I already finished Jr High

You don't think that losing the popular vote but becoming president isn't a flaw?

I'll not rob you of the fun of researching the reason for, and functioning of, our electoral college system. Enjoy.

[Kimpatsu]

I'll not rob you of the fun of researching the reason for, and functioning of, our electoral college system. Enjoy.

I already know, and the historical reason has been invalidated by the invention of high-speed communications.
(The myth that it's to get attention for mid-western farmers who otherwise would be ignored by Washington is demonstrated by the fact that they only get visited once every four years by all candidates, anyway.)
Regardless, that is superceded by the basic fact that anyone who wins with less than 51% of the vote cannot claim to have a mandate.

[jubaji]

foreign judgements on our electoral system

the historical reason has been invalidated
The myth that it's ...
Regardless, that is superceded by ....

Which leads us back to


You're not done with your research, btw.

[Kimpatsu]

Which leads us back to

What's that supposed to mean?

You're not done with your research, btw.

Isn't that enough?

[koto_ryu]

I think it's Wisconsin as well that was predominately voting Kerry that it turned out only 1 out of every 7 people who voted there gave a proper address, and some voted multiple times.

[Kimpatsu]

I think it's Wisconsin as well that was predominately voting Kerry that it turned out only 1 out of every 7 people who voted there gave a proper address, and some voted multiple times.

If that's true, it's an horrific abuse of process. Is there any hard evidence for this, or is it rumour? If it's true, the electoral commission needs to investigate, and prosecute.

[bodhisattva]

Yeah, Kimpatsu, but it's worse than that. Bush got more votes in several cities in Ohio than LIVED in those areas and registered. It was disgusting. It was as obvious as Florida in 2001. It's just obvious. No one is concerned. They want more beer, more dope, and more television, as a rule. Who cares that everyone is losing their jobs. No big deal, right?

We have NO factories over here anymore. The ones we DO have can't operate without the factories overseas to produce their parts.

People who still function in worthwhile jobs are losing their jobs left and right to people over seas.

People are being killed in a war that WON'T be won, and it won't accomplish anything for middle america, either.. other than to make the world want to nuke the shit out of us.

Already the global economy is discussing ousting the US. Considering we don't have any factories over here, how are you going to get ANYTHING?

We are really screwing it up. Oh, wait, I'm sorry - not ONE of us is screwing ANYTHING up.. Our "leadership" is doing it for us. Are THEY going to be the one's who suffer car bombs and towers falling? No. They warn each other not to fly before that stuff happens, and have bodyguards for when it does.

It's the funniest damned show on tv these days. It's called politics.

Anyway the vote fraud:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud_ohio.html

for starters.

But all you have to do is type in "vote fraud" "bush" "2004" and you'll get tons of reports.

The electoral is a joke. It tricks rubes into thinking their vote counts. It doesn't.

I already know the "book" reasons for an electoral college. But when you boil them down, they spell out "Americans aren't smart enough to choose, we'll choose for you".

I'm very well educated on our government system.

And I am no sheep.