I have done alot of research on this art and its history and techniques seem very questionable and even somewhat fabricated any information would be appreciated.
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Originally posted by Tom YumSomeone once thought a white belt aikidoka could blast a decent amateur muaythai fighter not so long ago....
the good old days...
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Originally posted by Sensei SakiWhat would make you stop think that? What is your rationale?I get it. Dr. Wallace might get a few kicks in but the aikido guy will twist him up like a pretzelLITERALLY and have him tapping the mat.
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Originally posted by academianI still think that! He might get a few kicks in but the aikido guy will twist him up like a pretzel(LITERALLY) and have him tapping the mat.
Muay thai doesn't have any power in its strikes and no infighting skills whatsoever
Giving respect where its due, aikido is awesome at de-escalation and prevention just the moment before a fight is about to break out. Its especially effective against people with no sense of body movement, balance or who rely mostly on strength. This is probably why its so good in public law enforcement and general security.
Against a skilled practitioner in other arts, I can't say how it would do.
Pride FC are you there? Bring on the aikidokas
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Originally posted by Tom YumWhat was I thinking!!!
Its especially effective against people with no sense of body movement, balance or who rely mostly on strength. T
granted so was he.
Ah...all good fun.
I gotsta get the video tape from my boy, Papa.....
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Unfortunatly (or may'be not for MT) They do not believe in competing. Honestly I dont Even think most of the MT could even land a kick against aikidos evasive footwork and body movements. but thats just my opinion and we will never know because they will not compete. Hey I started this thread for kun tao how did we end up talking about Aikido and MT ?
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Originally posted by academianHonestly I dont Even think most of the MT could even land a kick against aikidos evasive footwork and body movements. but thats just my opinion and we will never know because they will not compete.
Do aikidokas throw punches at each other when they square off? Do they stop with one punch, throw fast hard combos to set up knockout punches fake or feint?
On the ground or in a clinch, I would say the aikidoka is better off.
Originally posted by academianHey I started this thread for kun tao how did we end up talking about Aikido and MT ?
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Im no expert on aikido or MT but from what I have seen they dont "square off" they stay out of range of the attach until they decide to allow the opponent to close the gap so they can use their initative to execute a lock,throw or hold. The Mt person has to close the gap so he will be in attacking range the aikido guy is waiting for a limb any limb to come within range so he can immobilize it.I mean honestly what is the MT guy going to do from a sankyo hold ? There is nothing he can do but give up or destroy his own limb by trying to get away
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Originally posted by academianThe Mt person has to close the gap so he will be in attacking range the aikido guy is waiting for a limb any limb to come within range so he can immobilize it.
There's a fella up in the New England area who was a golden gloves boxer who also dabbles in aikido, who acknowledges that aikidoka are not used to hand speed from boxers. I don't think most people are used to boxers hand speed, much less the power from thai kicks or knees much less anything else.
Using footwork to get out of the way is a tactic used by about every MA style, including MT. MT guy isn't just gonna stand there after he's throw a few hard punches, knees or elbows.
Originally posted by academianI mean honestly what is the MT guy going to do from a sankyo hold ? There is nothing he can do but give up or destroy his own limb by trying to get away
Do you guys practice with resistance, defensive movement and spontaneous counters, like judoka or wrestlers? Because practicing the move 1,000 times against a compliant partner is not the same as pulling it off 1,000 times against a resisting one.
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I personally do not practice aikido I am certianly no expert on aikido although there are a lot of aiki style moves in my system I would assume that the aikido guys are better at it than styles that have utilized their tactics. You are correct about sankyo it is a very (some say the most) Effective wrist/armlock. It is just my opinion based on personal experience that a person that is executing kicks(only one foot left on the ground?)and striking is limited in their movement to some degree .Where as aikido has no kicks Only defences against kicks and no strikes only defences against strikes No moves or techniques that would hinder their balance or movement they only have techniques that impede the balance and movement of their opponent so if any of their techniques or strategy even half ass work can you see where they might have an advantage?Or am I missing something here ?
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Originally posted by academianWhere as aikido has no kicks Only defences against kicks and no strikes only defences against strikes No moves or techniques that would hinder their balance or movement they only have techniques that impede the balance and movement of their opponent so if any of their techniques or strategy even half ass work can you see where they might have an advantage?Or am I missing something here ?
That's the risk you take throwing a kick, so if its thrown its gotta come really fast and hit really hard. If it misses, you can change it up to something else or follow up with some punching. MT guys arent' known for high flicky kicks with no power. Throwing a kick as a starting move is pretty risky too.
It would be interesting to see someone like 7th dan master aikidoka Segal compete against the current welterweight or light weight Rajadamnern champ.
It would be interesting to see aikidoka in general compete against the mixed MA, just to see how it holds up, its strengths and weaknesses.
Atleast, there have been guys like Ron Van Clief (10th dan Chinese kenpo) and Keith Hackney (4th dan kenpo) get in and give it their all and do allright.
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Yes I agree that would be one match that I would like to see. Steven Seagal has strikes and kicks in his tenshinryu aikido and I think he would fare well In this type of competition.
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