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[treelizard]

Some atemi can be near fatal with light strikes. A web hand or "Judo" chop to the trachea is a nasty trick....

How hard would you have to do a palm down fingers to the episternal notch strike to actually cause some damage?

[BoarSpear]

I'm thinking a knife to the throat or garote? A training knife pressed firmly against your ribcage might be enough to think tapping out is a bit too late?

Then there is the protective armor you might wear for realistic training? I don't know. It's been some time since I played that. I might be behind the curve a bit? I might have been there with MY training??? A knife in the orbit? Hmmm? That doesn't seem "fun" to me...

Hehehehehe actually it was just a hold you know it Tant think old school judo techniques outlawed before we were born

[BoarSpear]

So do you actually train your students to stab each other in the eyes during training?

Absofuckinlutly...to quote James Keating loosly here.....To the UNTRAINED individual teaching CIVILIANS to target the eyes and face seems excessive, until you explain the alternatives. Yes we wear eye protection when doing so...no that isnt everyday, but what is?

I'm talking about safety measures, of which tapping out is one. You don't have to fight in a war to be ready for war. And you too, if you aren't willing to admit that!

Different people have different levels of what they consider acceptable losses in a conflict...Today you need a group of lawyers to determine if you are in a war or not. In fact by the 5th generational warfare laws being CURRENTLY taught at the War College, every American citizen is a combatant in the current conflict and every one in the future. but then you wont admit that for a multitude of reasons. Ever meet Michael Echanis before his "accident"? You goddamn sure didnt get to tap out in his classes

[doJu]

A) I can draw my knife under stress in way less than a second.

B) you assumed it wasnt out, and I had not cut you before the knife in the eye that ended your choice to attempt to bring BJJ to a knife fight...I dont fight in the ring so you dont get to frisk me first.

C) I've been doing JJJ since the 60's if you think you have more experience rolling with knives pm me, we'll talk.

D) Empty handed is the weakest place to defend from, if someone is trying to take you down then the intent to stop you through joint breaks is implied in a street encounter...or you're planning on choking me out. The number of broken bones in mma classes shows you aint got control enough for me to trust my life to your capability...I will fucking kill any asshole who attempts that shit..and then play all the "broken bones" videos in court to show the lack of control and understanding of the things you play with. If you clowns cant have competitions in the ring without breaking backs and arms how am I supposed to expect control in a drunken streetfight? Expect to be cut.

I like your style Just not your reasoning, I dont want to argue....But i hope someone else will.

[doJu]

Hehehehehe actually it was just a hold you know it Tant think old school judo techniques outlawed before we were born

Describe those techniques, i hope they are not secret.

[BoarSpear]

How hard would you have to do a palm down fingers to the episternal notch strike to actually cause some damage?

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[Tant01]

LMAO>>>>


OMG THAT'S funny !!! I can't stop!


Screw the bunny. I'm hungry! Who's got syrup?

[treelizard]

Screw the bunny. I'm hungry! Who's got syrup?

Bunny tastes better than pancakes. Less carbs, too.

I thought my question was pretty self-explanatory.

[BoarSpear]

Describe those techniques, i hope they are not secret.

Well they aint so much secret as they aint any in any books or videos, nor in the knowledge base of the current MMA champions...illegal in competition so not taught or practiced in the curriculem of the traditional martial arts...usually only taught to people who arent expected to subdue their opponent in a sportsmanlike manner...IE its dirty fighting from start to finish, nothing they do is intended to do less than maim you as a distraction before they cripple you process of killing you. Best place to learn them? Join the US military, go SF, when you get out, apply to the MSD...if the ninja will have you, you will learn, if not stick to bjj and BE NICE to strangers

[doJu]

How do you do the technique?? Thats what im asking. Example, Where do you put your hands? What joint or body part does it cripple? You know stuff like that.

What makes you think I would use BJJ for self defense(unless i got stuck on the ground but assuming i didnt)??

[Tant01]

Sorry TL not laughing at your post...! Bunny yummy...

O kay. Seriously? Lets see. Since I don't know crap, how about a quote?

"Medical tests have established that the amount of pressure needed to occlude the arteries is six times less than the pressure needed to collapse the airway."

From article "Different Chokes for Different Folks"
by Neil Ohlenkamp


Does that help?

[Tant01]

"The world is changing and Ju Jutsu has to change too. I don’t think it’s practical to limit ourselves to one particular style. I no longer see any point in keeping the techniques of each Ju Jutsu school a secret. It would be better to experiment with a whole range of techniques and select the ones you want to use, changing them if necessary. I’d like to take the best techniques from the Yoshin style and the best techniques from a lot of other styles and combine them all to create the ultimate form of Ju Jutsu. Last year after we performed for President Grant, Master Fukuda spoke of bringing Ju Jutsu to the rest of the world. To do that, we can’t rely on just one particular style – we need a combination of the best techniques from all the major schools of Ju Jutsu. That’s what I’d like to teach to the rest of the world."
Jigoro Kano, 1880

[BoarSpear]

How do you do the technique??

Very carefully.

Thats what im asking. Example, Where do you put your hands?

Around the target area.

What joint or body part does it cripple?

The one you're attacking.

You know stuff like that.

Yeah, you mean stuff that would help you figure it out.

What makes you think I would use BJJ for self defense(unless i got stuck on the ground but assuming i didnt)??

You're either studying it or inquiring about it, or do you consider it it like surfing, something you do just for fun.

[Tant01]

Technically speaking...

How hard would you have to do a palm down fingers to the episternal notch strike to actually cause some damage?

Interesting question TL...

Here's some info you might appreciate.
National Upper Cervical Chiropractic Association(NUCCA) theory states that less than 1 mm of atlas laterality is enough to trigger a spastic contracture...adjustments may have to be modified if the reduction of the subluxation is not acceptable. ... the adjustment (may) not reduce proportionately the way it should. It soon becomes obvious that the direction of the force is key in the success of the adjustment. Doctors can't rely on Innate to put the vertebrae back where they belong; they must be precise with their forces. When the c-spine and skull are returned to the vertical axis, the rest of the spine and pelvis is allowed to do so also as the spastic contracture releases the splinted joints. Head and brain asymmetry has been shown to have a direct influence on the spinal curvatures. ... This is a full spine technique.

The Eight Phases...
1. Approach. To establish a base of support, neck lock and plantar reflex.
2. Settleback. To convert the adjustor's pelvic and shoulder levers to a more vertical plane so that the adjustor's action lines are aligned to the notch-transverse resultant.
3. Turn-In. To turn the adjustor's spinal column so as to bring the adjustor's episternal notch directly above the contact point. (C1 transverse process)
4. Arch. The formation of arches of the hands to control divergent forces from the triceps muscles and make the hands rigid.
5. Roll-In. To bring the divergent forces emanating from the triceps muscles to a single point and to prevent the forces so produced from scattering around the transverse process.
6. Conversion. To align the adjustor's action lines to the same plane in which the Notch-Transverse Resultant lies and to return the adjustor's spinal lever to an exact 90 degree angle to the Horizontal Resultant at the settleback point.
7. Triceps Pull. To convert the potential energy of the adjustment into kinetic energy.
8. Pelvic Lever. To obtain still greater conversion of the adjustor's trunk into a more vertical plane with better action line align ment to the Notch-Transverse Resultant. The Pelvic Lever Phase is only used when the adjustor normal settleback is not sufficient to obtain the degree of angulation necessary for a particular subluxation

...Contraindications of this NUCCA adjustment are few, but osteoporosis and vertebral fracture are two conditions that could be problematic.

The advantages of this procedure include safety, ... pain, measurability, predictability, reliability and stability so the body can heal itself. No more chasing pain: find it, fix it and leave it alone. To help find the exact contact location of the C1 transverse process...at the tip of the palpable mastoid process ... Use no more than 3 pounds contact or the stretch reflex can lock the joints to be adjusted. After a while, the adjustor develops a feedback and that tells the adjustor when a proper adjustment has been accomplished.


Glossary of terms:

ACTION LINES: Parallel forces. Energy emanated in perpendicular direction out from the center of the adjustor's shoulder and pelvic levers.

ANGULAR ROTATION: Rotation of a body segment about a fixed axis.

BASE OF SUPPORT: The positioning of the feet in relation to the Horizontal Resultant. Where they are placed will greatly determine the direction the action lines are pointed.

CENTER OF MOTION: Fixed axis of motion.

...NECKLOCK: The action of the adjustor drawing his/her chin back as in a military stance. This creates a reflex action that will retract shoulders, straighten cervical spine and promote synergistic action of spinal musculature

NOTCH-TRANSVERSE RESULTANT: A calculated line from the episternal notch of the adjustor to the transverse process of the patient along which the adjustic force should be directed in order to correct the A.S.C.

PELVIC LEVER: Straight line between the center of one acetabulum to the center of the opposite acetabulum.

PLANTAR REFLEX: The reflex produced by dragging the plantar surface of the foot across the floor. This reflex will cause a synergistic action between the leg musculature and the posture musculature to create more stability in the adjusting procedure.

SETTLEBACK POINT: A point that is one inch beyond the Horizontal Resultant along a line drawn perpendicular to the Horizontal Resultant at its distal end. The adjustor's tie or plumb bob should align with this point at the end of the conversion phase. The base of support is aligned to this point.

SHOULDER LEVER: Straight line from the center of one glenoid fossa to the opposite glenoid fossa.

VECTOR: A force specified by direction and magnitude.

References
1. JMPT. 1997;20:311-314.
2. Jackson B.L., Barker W. Bentz, J. Gambale A.G.: Inter-and intra-examiner reliability of the upper cervical X-ray marking system: a second look., JMPT 1987 Aug. 10 (4) pp 157-63.
3. Niesluchowski W. et.al. Brain Asymmetry and Scoliosis. JMPT 1999; 22:540-44.
4. The Eight Adjustic Phases. NUCCA 1999.

About The Author
Patrick Foran, DC, is a member of the NUCCRAs board of directors, past president of the Greater Vancouver Chiropractic Society and a board member of the British Columbia Chiropractic Association. He has been a guest lecturer for the Canadian Memorial Chiropractic College and a writer for Canadian Chiropractor magazine.

Visit Dr. Foran's website: www.neckdr.ca


http://www.nucca.org/articles/Picture%20Perfect.htm

[Tant01]

................ Am I funny or what?