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Originally posted by Mike Brewer
And yeah, hiring security people after people have been killed in said school is a bit too late.
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Since you're having trouble reading, let me remind you that people have been bugging their school districts for years for security and the districts have done nothing. Your solution works really well in theory for all of these districts.
And yeah, hiring security people after people have been killed in said school is a bit too late. -
Yeah, you should just keep asking women you don't know for photographs instead.Originally posted by Tom Yum View PostComment
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I'd go back and find all the other places where you suggested teachers getting training would make matters worse but it appears you've changed your tune.
I'm all for security--nowhere did I say I was "so dead-set against a security program"--just that schools haven't implemented it. Well, actually, Platte Canyon did have a security guard, but he was called away on business when the gunman came in. Lastly, I somehow doubt that the security system you mentioned is the same as the one that is taking affect at the school, or that you can get security guards in every doorway at every school.Comment
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I just was hoping you'd make up your mind about whether teachers should get additional training or not. Since you think additional training won't make a difference and will make things worse, why are you recommending it? And if you think the situation isn't serious enough to warrant a response (unless people get killed like at Platte, in which case the school should respond by getting better security guards after the fact), why are you recommending that?
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This definitely sounds a lot more like "do nothing" than it sounds like "equip and prepare teachers to stop schoolyard bullying before it leads to said events."The hard truth is, the most practical option for school safety is to continue with business as usual. Don't change a thing, and don't get too worked up over things. In most cases, teachers aren't equipped or prepared to stop even the schoolyard bullying that leads up to these events, let alone the active shooters themselves
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So the teachers should do nothing but wait for their school system to implement security measures which obviously didn't work for Platte after Columbine.This school is hiring security people because they had a problem. The responsible thing to do would be to follow suit before it happens where you are.
And lastly, since I've said this about five zillion times already and you keep insisting that I'm opposed to security, what I'm saying AGAIN is that a lot of schools that need better security ARE NOT GETTING IT even though teachers have been bugging them to do so FOR YEARS. Does me pointing this out really make me anti-security? Does me looking for other measures teachers can take on their own instead of waiting for or relying on security that often isn't even in the building make me anti-security? And if you really think that just any old security guards will do the trick, what about your post #7?Comment
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What I said was that teachers OFTEN stem schoolyard violence and that those that can't, need more training.You've been maintaining that teachers are effectively stemming schoolyard violence, so wouldn't "business as usual" be a good thing?
You're making it sound like I am personally in charge of school finances, even though I've said about a zillion times, and I'll say it again, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING AND FAILING TO GET ADDED SECURITY AT ALMOST EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT I KNOW FOR YEARS. Including after Columbine. I'm sure my friends will keep trying, but I'm not holding my breath. Apparently somebody getting killed sometimes helps the school get better security (like the one security guard at Platte who happened to be out of the building when he was needed) but it takes someone getting killed at the actual school to get something that might possibly resemble adequate security. Second, the probabilty of getting guards at every entrance of every school is ridiculously slim, so additional measures would still need to be taken, such as, oh, maybe training for teachers?You called for Colorado schools to set an example, and now you're dismissing the measures they've taken because they waited too long? Well, my friend, you have a valid point. Applying reason and logic to that point, you should learn from their example and not wait so long to get things moving!
Let me put it another way. Knowing that teachers have been trying and failing to get security FOR YEARS, what measures could/should they take that would actually be helpful? I already listed a ton of them, maybe somebody else could take a stab. Or admit that working with teachers isn't your area of expertise and you're just writing looooooooong posts about hypothetical five-man security teams because you're better-versed in that.Comment
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We've already established the need for some classroom security training and that training, at best, can prevent or end scuffles and other kinds of visible violence between students (i.e. bullying, small scuffles).Originally posted by treelizard View Post
When violence escalates beyond that level, its out of the teachers hands...Comment
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I'm not upset/surprised, I just think it's sad how out of touch people are with reality. Except for Jubaji.Comment
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Yes you are.Originally posted by treelizard View Post
Your discussion about the same topic in the Urban thread is much more sane.Comment
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or did you mean that you weren't surprised that I'm out of touch?
Originally posted by treelizard View Post
Yay for me! The rest of y'all suck! You tell 'em, girl!Comment
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I just thought of something though--aren't you a teacher?Originally posted by jubaji View PostComment
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We'll bribe you back: For starters a fried-rice bowl with bulgoki and kim chi!Originally posted by jubaji View PostComment
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No way, you're a wrestler!
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