NRA wants terror suspect to have acccess to guns

[Ahsen]

The BBC news reader Alan Johnston, in Gaza strip who was kidnapped by terrorist how many people came out protested for his release in GAZA HOW MANY ?

LINK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6590335.stm

CAse closed !

[Tant01]

yes the truth must hurt you islamophobes, since even after we presented you with tons of evidence of muslims speaking and acting out against terrorism, you guys want to keep insisting that they dont. seems like a personal agenda if you ask me.

Listen Dick. (read carefully)

You have it almost exactly ass backwards! I do not fear any man. Least of all Muslims. Your Islamophobe BS is only a reflection of your warped little microcosm. I respect most honest hearted, peace loving, God fearing souls. I detest the EXTREMIST VIEWS that attempt to justify the carnage and destruction. Mine or yours! You see? I hate that we are at war just as much as many Muslims do. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying at all. You simply lash out with name calling like I'm the blind one here?

Next to that I detest those who would ignore the evidence and accuse me of something you fabricated?

I'm not insisting anything at all about ANYTHING! You are free to ignore reality and embrace your bong, It's America buddy!

[Tant01]

Welcome to the watch list...

And no apologies



Bin larden used that exact Justification " CUs u killed my people I'm gonna kill you "

ANother new low for Lizard, 3 times you have been proven by western standars your a terrorist well done !

Go on please make a real fool out your self
What a comedian

I guess the truth hurts then huh ?




.....Blah, blah, blah...!

You just took a quote (of a quote) out of context and fabricated a crime. You go on to judge and convict her on this and have the nerve to call it "truth"?

Perhaps you should quit reading, you don't get it either? You just want to lash out against ANYTHING "western", eh?

Don't be a dumbass.

[DickHardman]

[DickHardman]

[Ahsen]

Welome to CIA most wanted watchlist Tant01

I do not fear any man. Least of all Muslims. !

yeah so whats your point
I don't fear you either LOL !!!

You just took a quote (of a quote) out of context and fabricated a crime. You go on to judge and convict her on this and have the nerve to call it "truth"?

Perhaps you should quit reading, you don't get it either? You just want to lash out against ANYTHING "western", eh?

Don't be a dumbass.

Calling the kettle Black are we ? your post are all mis-represetation information of mine and lack of reading whichs shows with blah blah.
Anyway I'm not going into details here anymore now.

Listern and read Carefully Tant !
No one here that includes Dickman are saying that Terrorist are justified so get that straight
your putting Law abiding Muslim into the same basket as the terrorist and suggesting that we support it because what we are , and thats the problem
and when there is prove of Muslim groups fighter against extremist you ignore it and come up calling us terrorist supporters. Excatly what TreeLizard had done
If someone makes an attack on my belive and my ethicity then will respond accordingly.

Extremist and Radicalist is what you said are true they need to be deported You go right ahead and target Extremist and Radicalist, be my guest and I'll join in the fun, but without the racist slur, in other words don't include us when describing terrorist then i'll stop my rant.

i be in your level here
we are all in the same boat, we are up against racist and extremist. AS racist are there to kill me cus what I am, extremist couldn't careless about who they gonna kill as such is their nature, even though I'm a Muslim to them I'm an Infidale cus I'm living here in the west. We need to work together to out root all probelms, We need you and you need us so why don't you get off your high horse and see the bigger picture quit this pathetic divide and stop alienating the very people who can help you out.

Here you go again
How does "saying that I'm not terrorist" = "Anti-western"


WHERE HAVE I BEEN ANTI-WESTREN!!!!

You are so blind as seeing me as some Middle Eastern
that you think I hate the west, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME
and here you are accusing others for jumping the Gun, when you have done it yourself well done !

Perhaps you should quit reading, you don't get it either !!!!!
SO Stop being a Dumb ass
i'M ENDING THIS IDIOTIC DICUSSION ITS TRUE WHAT THEY SAY

Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

[darrianation]

Back to the original question in which I think there are plenty of parallels to the current ongoing discussion but I’ll try not to veer off.

The truth is the NRA is not trying to get guns into the hands of terrorists. It is an ancient tactic to spin shit in favor of yourself and, or, against your enemies. In this particular case the libtard cowards in the media and in congress would have you believe that the NRA is evil when really they (the libtard cowards) are just fearful of the second amendment and fearful in general.

The NRAs goal is to protect the 2nd amendment rights of all law abiding citizens against a fearful populace and untrusting paranoid government. Fear brings on two mindsets, one of the victim hiding in the closet from the boogie man and the other brings out the warriors…I am afraid there are more folks hiding in the closet than there are warriors with the predator mentality.

The difference between the warrior and the predator is the predator preys on the weak and especially the weak minded. The warrior preys on the predator. So you can either think like a warrior who is a predator that preys on evil or like a victim who can never understand how a warrior does what he does and continues being victimized.

[Ahsen]

Back to the original question in which I think there are plenty of parallels to the current ongoing discussion but I’ll try not to veer off.

The truth is the NRA is not trying to get guns into the hands of terrorists. It is an ancient tactic to spin shit in favor of yourself and, or, against your enemies. In this particular case the libtard cowards in the media and in congress would have you believe that the NRA is evil when really they (the libtard cowards) are just fearful of the second amendment and fearful in general.

The NRAs goal is to protect the 2nd amendment rights of all law abiding citizens against a fearful populace and untrusting paranoid government. Fear brings on two mindsets, one of the victim hiding in the closet from the boogie man and the other brings out the warriors…I am afraid there are more folks hiding in the closet than there are warriors with the predator mentality.

The difference between the warrior and the predator is the predator preys on the weak and especially the weak minded. The warrior preys on the predator. So you can either think like a warrior who is a predator that preys on evil or like a victim who can never understand how a warrior does what he does and continues being victimized.

Thank you darrianation for putting back on track

I don't understand is how the NRA could give guns to terroists suspects its a fifty fifty chance that these suspects could be one of them.
Isn't that a big risk ?

and I didn't understand your statement:

The truth is the NRA is not trying to get guns into the hands of terrorists. It is an ancient tactic to spin shit in favor of yourself and, or, against your enemies. In this particular case the libtard cowards in the media and in congress would have you believe that the NRA is evil when really they (the libtard cowards) are just fearful of the second amendment and fearful in general.

could you elaborate further please Thanks

For me I live in a country where guns are band out rightly
the only people are allowed are designated Police.
All in all I agree with an all out ban of Guns but then in my country we have another problem, thats people are smuggling guns here.

I understand having a gun to protect cus you don't trust the Govt. But having a predator mentality won't that causes more problem in the long run ?

[darrianation]

Regardless of the rhetoric or what one's personal position on guns are the argument is mute because it is a constitutional RIGHT every bit as much as the 1st amendment is. The Militia argument is bull shit because if that was true than why is the right to bear arms in the "bill of rights" where power is restricted to the government and given to the people? The wording "People" in the second amendment is clearly referring to the individual, everywhere else the word "people" is referenced in the constitution it is commonly excepted that it means the citizen or the individual.

I realize our forefathers weren't perfect and weren't always the most righteous folks in the Christian sense. And I also realize that God is a taboo word in our society and making mention of any relationship of God and the government is an abomination. But if we believe our rights or not unalienable then certainly they are created by man and therefore can be taken away by man. I think there has been a huge push to turn our rights into a privilege, the state which grants privileges can just as easily take them away.

Once these precepts have become trodden under foot that is when democracy breaks down and what follows is always a dictatorship. The belief that our rights are given by a higher power than man is the reason our democracy has lasted as long as it has, no other democracy has lasted this long. Once our constitutional protections are whittled away and dismantled piece by piece then we will cease to be free and we will become subjugated to man. The thing about being subjugated to man is that it is in his nature to once he gains a little authority he is easily corrupted by its power and begins to practice unrighteous dominion.

Some food for thought:

Benjamin Franklin once said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” Thomas Jefferson

[Ahsen]

Very interesting topic
PLease forgive me on my lack of knowledge on American History and politics as you can see I'm not a US citizern

The idea that the US govt want total control of its people is something to ponder Does this mean a second civial war ?
Can it go that far ?

Also I want bring your attention to kiliings in school
such as the one that happen recently.

[darrianation]

I just got done having a conversation with some folks about the anti-gun grabbers like Nancy Pelosi among others (Schumer, McCarthy, etc) wanting to take away our guns. Why is it after a shooting such as what happened at Columbine or Virginia Tech they want to take the guns away from the folks that had nothing to do with it?

Maybe folks, politicians and those who vote for certain politicians believe we no longer need a constitution or that the RIGHTS guaranteed in the constitution are more like a privilege than a right. Maybe we should shit can the whole thing and live under whatever the majority thinks is best even if that costs us everything including any rights or privileges at all.

A Supreme Court judge once said "Democracy is like a lynch mob there is only one person against it." The constitution protects us the individual from the government and from our selves, from an unjust majority…form mob rule. That is why we live in a republic and have a constitution.

If you think you can simply do away with the constitution or portions of it then prepare for wide spread and insidious side effects. You see if you think it is okay to tinker with one thing what is to prevent them from tinkering with another thing maybe even something you care about? The likely result of which will be living in a police state because the government certainly has proven over and over again that they do not to trust us the citizen. The Government is paranoid, and what protects us from them is the constitution, what protects the constitution is an armed citizenry.

Our founding fathers, as imperfect as they were, understood the nature of man and how a man or group of men would rule if left unchecked. So they established the constitution to protect the citizenry from the government. Are we now so naive and trusting of the government to allow them to dismantle it one piece at a time or even wholesale? Have we forgotten the lessons they learned? Or is it a case of far too many Americans are simply just too apathetic and those that would do harm to our liberties (politicians and certain judges) are left free do so unchecked?

You may not like everything in the constitution but it is our greatest and really only protection from those who would rule unjustly and we the citizen are its protectors. If we drop the ball because we vote for those who will not defend the constitution or simply don't care one way or the other, the day will come when we will be telling our children how it used to be…to be free.

[Ahsen]

I can understand what your saying

what i can see is:
your right to carring the gun and thier right to live free without fear

for the vigina tech , columbine and other atrocites of shooting in school
people ponder, if guns were ban would it had happen ? would it have saved lives ?


Theres another question i wanna bring

Do Guns Kill People or Do People Kill People?

everyone knows that guns are useless when its not used so is it the person ?
Guns can be compare to cars and knifes


Do Firetrucks and hoses save lives or those who use them?
Does an Ambulance give you First-Aid or those who drive them?
Does a scalpel remove a tumor or the Doctor using it?
Does a wrench fix your car or the mechanic using it?
Do shoes win the game or the player wearing them?

Basically Firearms don't kill or save lives
People do both.
food for thought people ?

[darrianation]

Ahsen, right or wrong at least you look at the issues with some degree of practicality. I don’t think you should give up and quit the forum because someone disagrees with you, even if heated - emotions happen.

I think you have some good points but let me put this out there:

Ahsen: “I don't understand is how the NRA could give guns to terrorists suspects its a fifty fifty chance that these suspects could be one of them.
Isn't that a big risk ?”

First of all the NRA doesn’t give guns to anyone (unless you win it a raffle) it is an organization made up of private citizens that is set up to protect the 2nd amendment of the constitution of the United States and has been around for over a 100 years.

The “risk” factor cannot be done away with by taking guns from the law abiding. You see gun laws only affect the law abiding not the criminal; it only disarms the good guys. Then you have only two groups of people with guns the criminals and the government leaving the good guys at their mercy which in either case is a scary thought.

Giving up rights to reduce “risk” is a victim’s point of view because you fear for your safety more than your freedom. Freedom does not come cheap it carries a high price tag; the price is often paid in blood.

[darrianation]

Ahsen: The idea that the US govt want total control of its people is something to ponder Does this mean a second civial war ?
Can it go that far ?

You see this kind of talk can get a citizen pegged as a terrorist. The government can label anyone who they “perceive” as a threat…and that as we have seen can be anybody.

[Garland]

You people be crazy.