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  • #46
    Originally posted by GonzoStyles View Post
    I allready mentioned Swishahouse here in Houston an Independent label and studio that is the hottest thing around America and the world as far as rap music is concerned
    No bias there . . .

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    • #47
      Bias doesnt enter into it, I used Swishahouse because they are an independent label that is on top of the rap game right now, anyone who listens to rap knows this, the fact that they are from my hometown is just a coincidence considering I am not a fan of any Swishahouse artists and don't own any of their products.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Mike Brewer
        Horseshit.

        It isn't being "shoved" down anyone's throats. People are making the choice to buy it!

        Again, it's about personal accountability. If more people wanted "clean" hip hop, it would be sold in dump truck-loads. Blame the industry if you want, but supply really does follow demand.
        I agree with this.

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        • #49
          I won't waste time addressing all of your babbling, GonzoStyles.

          First, I have never been a rapper. I've been involved in the industry on the management side. I have friends who were A&R. I also have friends who are artists.

          Second, what does Paris being a has been have to do with the statements found in the article? Does him being a has-been make his statements any less credible? If it makes you feel better, Common, Dead Prez, Talib Kweli and Mos Def have all made the same statements. Not that it makes any difference, but you're nitpicking here to seem like you have a point.

          Independent labels have made a rise, especially in the south. However, if you are trying to convince people that they generate as much money or have any where near the power and influence that the bigger corporate labels do, then you again show your ignorance.

          No one said that record execs make people rap about violence. That's what you walked away with due to limited reading comprehension. What the article stated is that every new artist that is ready and willing to rap about drugs, violence and sex is heavily promoted, while artists who create more positive messages in their music are shelved and never see the light of day.

          When you finally stop and actually do read the article correctly if that's possible, you'll see that "gangsta-fying" music does happen, but it doesn't just stop there. Artists who retain creative control aren't marketed at all, therefore all the radio plays is gangsta music.

          And just so you know, rap in the south is largely based on rims, bling and the stripper culture. It receives just as much opposition as gangsta rap. Its less violent, but the elements of drugs and sex are still there.

          Lastly, no one is asking you to do anything, GonzoStyles.
          No one asked what you like, GonzoStyles.
          No one asked for sympathy for the artists, GonzoStyles.
          No one asked you to agree, GonzoStyles.

          Your knowledge of contracts is non-existent. Do you realize that Puffy held Mace to his contract even after he retired? And that Mace had been trying to sign with G-Unit for a long time? When someone has you under contract, its what the execs say, not what you think, GonzoStyles. No one forced the artists to sign those contracts, but the money is the lure, and the contract is the trap, not the other way around.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            I won't waste time addressing all of your babbling, GonzoStyles.
            Because it would show that your just making a piss-poor defense of
            dumb-ass cash fiends who sign anything put in front of them.

            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            what does Paris being a has been have to do with the statements found in the article? Does him being a has-been make his statements any less credible? If it makes you feel better, Common, Dead Prez, Talib Kweli and Mos Def have all made the same statements. Not that it makes any difference, but you're nitpicking here to seem like you have a point.
            No your article spun the situation to make it seem as if the underground was non-existent, with a single, word-of-mouth source to validate this, my comment on Paris was to show his motivation for making such a statement.
            The statement of "What underground" would be a flat out falsehood no matter who says it.

            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            Independent labels have made a rise, especially in the south. However, if you are trying to convince people that they generate as much money or have any where near the power and influence that the bigger corporate labels do, then you again show your ignorance.
            Your refusal to acknowledge to presence of Indy labels as a major force in the Industry shows YOUR ignorance. Indy's are beyond being the farm teams for the major labels and fast becoming a place where artists are involved in every step of the music.

            Your claim of sub-par recording tecniques in Indy studios shows you REALLY don't know anything about music on the recording side.

            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            No one said that record execs make people rap about violence.

            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            Originally Posted by Uke
            Many rappers who try to send a positive message are forced to make comprimises.
            Huh?


            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            That's what you walked away with due to limited reading comprehension.
            yeah ok! my comprehension of the article is fine I comprehended it as a bullshit excuse for greedy artists who sign a contract not knowing what it is.


            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            And just so you know, rap in the south is largely based on rims, bling and the stripper culture. It receives just as much opposition as gangsta rap. Its less violent, but the elements of drugs and sex are still there.
            No shit Chet? You must not even READ my comments Uke. I know exactly what the H-town sound is about, even though I am no fan of it personally.


            Originally posted by Uke View Post
            Your knowledge of contracts is non-existent. Do you realize that Puffy held Mace to his contract even after he retired? And that Mace had been trying to sign with G-Unit for a long time? When someone has you under contract, its what the execs say, not what you think, GonzoStyles. No one forced the artists to sign those contracts, but the money is the lure, and the contract is the trap, not the other way around.
            My knowledge of contracts is non-existent? Well according to your defense of the self-enslaved rap artists I allready know more about contracts then all the retards who sign away their artistic control.

            I don't know anything about Puffy and Mace but it sounds like Mace didn't read his contract and still owed Puffy recordings

            Your confused Uke, they were trapped by their own greed, nothing else.

            You contradict yourself when you state that this has been going on since the music Industry began, yet these artists get blind-sided by the corporate executives and their tricky contracts?

            You basically mount a pitiful defense for people who put themselves in a situation knowing full well the history of the Industry.

            My reading comprehension is just fine Uke, your comprehension of personal responsibility leaves something to be desired.

            I am done since all you do is call into question shit that has nothing to do with this topic like my history associating with poor people, involvement in the rap industry and reading ability.

            Keep on defending those ignorant cash fiends Uke, maybe one day you will make it into one of their entourages as the official contract reader!
            Last edited by GonzoStyles; 05-12-2007, 08:27 PM. Reason: fat fingered a few keys because I was laughing too hard

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            • #51
              Originally posted by GonzoStyles View Post
              Bias doesnt enter into it, I used Swishahouse because they are an independent label that is on top of the rap game right now, anyone who listens to rap knows this, the fact that they are from my hometown is just a coincidence considering I am not a fan of any Swishahouse artists and don't own any of their products.
              Suuuuuuure it is . . . .

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              • #52
                Any luck finding positive hip hop?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by medic06 View Post
                  Any luck finding positive hip hop?

                  [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEMmbtcxbpc[/YOUTUBE]

                  this is as positive as it gets.

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                  • #54
                    Sorry Dick, but that's not it.

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                    • #55
                      I have no argument or defense for people's greed, GonzoStyles. That has never been a point that I disputed, even though you constantly make this issue about the greed of artists. You driving point is that artists are greedy, which I've agreed with. Passed that point, what is your point?

                      IMO, everyone is greedy. Everyone uses and takes more than they need. Poor people who are presented with million dollar contracts are no different. There is no defense for them. They are desperate, poor people who would do anything to change their situations. Its the same reason why crack became such an epidemic in Black and Latino communities. People want to get ahead, even at the cost of their neighbors and family. However, crack didn't become a problem or receive the media attention that it did until it spilled over into White communities.

                      Its the same in this scenario in the record industry. The content of hip hop wasn't an issue until White children started listening to it. Once their parents found out, they began calling for it to be banned and some politicians even used it on their election platforms.

                      My point is that over 85% of all rap sales are made by White males, which means that Gangsta rap can only exist because it is perceived as a popular genre that consumers want to hear. Yet, the lascivious and violent messages found in Hip hop are seen as a Black problem instead of an industry problem. I find that fascinating when the majority of those who buy the so-called destructive and mind altering music are White.

                      Mike Brewer made an excellent point earlier ....

                      Originally posted by Mike Brewer
                      It isn't being "shoved" down anyone's throats. People are making the choice to buy it!

                      Again, it's about personal accountability. If more people wanted "clean" hip hop, it would be sold in dump truck-loads. Blame the industry if you want, but supply really does follow demand.
                      .... And I agree with that. It is about supply and demand. The execs are even more greedy than the artists because all they care about are numbers. They execs are the ones with the power to change the perceived image of hip hop, yet they are happy catering to those who buy the most rap music.

                      This debate is a futile because the criticism about gangsta rap music is largely from those who continue to buy it!

                      Its GonzoStyles intent here not to let the artists off the hook, which I never did. GonzoStyles also continues to pretend that I have tried to lay the entire blame on one group(record execs) when its never been about the entire blame. This article shows the role that record execs play in the marketing of rap music, which directly affects the messages that people associate with the Hip hop culture.

                      Regardless of the fact that artists are indeed whoring themselves once they sign crooked contracts, they lack the power to make the necessary changes for more positive hip hop. Independent labels like you mentioned do not command the power of powerhouse labels, whether you are honest enough to admit or not.

                      This entire debate comes down to who has the power to change the negative messages and images that we see and hear everyday. The artists under contracts don't, and we are not just speaking about washed up rappers either. I have stated today's artists like Kanye West, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, and Common have ALL said the same things that Paris has stated, yet you avoid that fact like the plague.

                      So, while you're pointing out that artists do have choices does ring true, does it have anything about who markets the music? Does it have anything to do with who gets play on the radio? If you think that the radio stations don't bow down to the Big Labels then you're either naive or need to learn a lot more. That's why we referred to the "industry" and no just record labels. The industry .. the artists, the producers, the studios, the record labels, the radio stations, the concert halls ... they are all tied in together, and they are not going to go against someone with as much pull and influence as Russell Simmons or Sean Combs.

                      The biggest underground star right now is probably Immortal Technique, who send powerful messages and a positive vibe in his music. He'll tell you that he isn't making any real money. He'll tell you that he does what he does because he loves the music. That's admirable, but its not something you'll see everyday. Its so rare to find an artist like that. He has incredible talent, material, and a huge following. Yet, there is little money for him.

                      Why is that? He's as underground as underground gets. Is it because he made all the wrong decisions? Is he whoring himself? He's just as talented and has more stimulating messages in his music than damn nearly anyone from the south. His following is worldwide. But the money he would get from signing with someone like Puffy or Jay-Z would be exponentially greater than what he's making now. But do you know what? Immortal Technique also knows that his lyrics would never make it to mainstream radio no matter how positive or educational they are, because they are controversial. That decision would be made by record and radio execs, not Technique.

                      The lure of millions is too much for most people to resist. In a country where 2% control 90% of the wealth, that kind of money represents a once in a lifetime chance to change their situation. Now, I'm not defending greed here. That's reality. If you feel that a young man is a dumb ass cash fiend because he would rather make music than sell crack or gang-bang, that's you're opinion. We will continue to see that differently, GonzoStyles.

                      But since when did making rap music become an evil, selfish act? ESPECIALLY when the main consumers won't buy anything else but Thug and Gangsta music? Its free expression. And thug and gangsta music would shrivel and die if people didn't want to hear it.

                      I guess Red Foxx, Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy are also dumb ass cash fiends because most of their material was objectionable to a large part of America. They were lewd, dirty, sexual and to some they were just plain rude. But they were all funny, and people came to see them in record numbers. They cursed, talked about having sex, they even talked badly about the President. Still, people paid to come out and see them. It was free expression.

                      So in the end, passed all your talk about Indy labels that don't have the clout to go against the bigger labels and greedy artists, it still all comes down to who has the power to change the state of the rap music game. Its not the artists. Its not a "Black" problem as it is so often perceived as they don't even make up 10% of all rap sales in the United States.

                      Seems to me that its like Mike Brewer said. Its about the Record execs(supply)and Gangsta rap fans that buy the CD's, DVD's and records(demand). This problem couldn't even exist without them.

                      Let's be truthful for moment here. No one here really has a problem with Gangsta or Thug rap per se. The real problem is that those genre's have become mainstream, and so those are the messages that are taken in and perceived as what rap music offers. If Gangsta and Thug rap were small, underground genres then no one would really have a problem because the attention would go to other rap that sends more positive messages.

                      This last revelation goes even further to prove that this entire debate is about who has the power to change the problem, not who has a hand in contributing to it.

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                      • #56
                        never-ending stupidity from this pUke

                        Originally posted by pUke View Post
                        If I say "That bitch is beautiful", its not insulting.
                        .
                        Of course it is.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by jubaji View Post
                          Of course it is.
                          And you would know how? You wouldn't have the balls to approach a woman let alone have the opportunity to call her anything to her face.

                          The only context you'd use "bitch" in is to describe the woman once you didn't get the time of day.

                          But then, not knowing a thing has never stopped you from posting before so you were expected to poke your head out of your gopher hole at some point. I guess you weren't receiving that much needed attention you thrive on so you thought you'd make an appearance to show us that you're still breathing.

                          You're a bit out of your element here, bunny. If we ever get around to discussing taiko drums, we'll give you a call.

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                          • #58


                            Uke is right! I found the real Gangstas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                            • #59
                              is there some qualification for understanding the English language that you need?

                              Originally posted by pUke View Post
                              And you would know how? You wouldn't have the balls to approach a woman let alone have the opportunity to call her anything to her face.

                              The only context you'd use "bitch" in is to describe the woman once you didn't get the time of day.

                              A little extra sensitive today, little pUke?

                              Too F-ing bad


                              The term is obviously insulting, and your juvenile failure at transparently attempting to contextualize it only makes you look as ignorant as ever.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by jubaji View Post
                                Of course it is.
                                I second that.

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