Gun Confiscation Now Beginning in California

[Badger]

Originally posted by Lacrymosa
I HAVE, however, met an individual from my wife's family whose 5-year-old son's life was accidentally ended when he found "Daddy's New Toy". [/B]

That is a horrible thing man, I do agree that if you do own a gun PLEASE keep it to where your children won't get to it!!!!

Otherwise you should accept the full responsility!


-Badger

[Ronin]

Mickey:

Have you seen or read Les Miserables? If I'm Valjean, you're Javert, or vice versa.

Or played the PlayStation game Resident Evil: Nemesis? You remind me of the big monster who chases me around the whole game, popping up at unexpected times to disembowel me.

Nevertheless, I like you, so here goes:

I was speaking from personal experience. Never been attacked, EVER. You have obviously experienced a great deal of personal tragedy involving firearms, as well as a frightening close-call.

Do guns save lives? Yes, but they also take them. I believe that running or avoid trouble is 99% of the time the best option for self-defense. I don't think randomly blowing away perpetrators is the answer to crime, nor is the death penalty (not trying to restart that one). A little common sense goes a long way, for most people. For the few that need them, I don't have a problem with a registered weapon being legally obtained. What I object to is the notion that "guns can solve the problem of guns", i.e. vigilantism, and the corresponding ENORMOUS volume of lethal weaponry in this country. And if police response time is too long, increase it, but arming the citizenry to the teeth seems like a fool's bargain to me, especially with everyone on a hair-trigger these days.

I think it is a romantic notion that a weapon can solve all our problems. But, like I said, in some cases it should be used. I'm just saying there are too many guns, that are too easy to obtain. You guys who think I'm advocating a total ban on guns are reading too much into my posts.

I hope that was clear.

[Lacrymosa]

The John Wayne Syndrome

[Mickey Finn]

Originally posted by Lacrymosa
Oh brother....

Here they come, Ronin.

I haven't counted on a lousy gun to save me for my entire life....and I'm doing just fine. In fact, I have yet to meet an individual who's been "rescued from the jaws of hell and damnation" by a lousy firearm in a time of tension........except for a few Vietnam Vets that I've spoken to.

I HAVE, however, met an individual from my wife's family whose 5-year-old son's life was accidentally ended when he found "Daddy's New Toy".

The John Wayne Syndrome

You just have, and I can back every word of it up. Why does that threaten you so? Why do you find it necessary to label it a syndrome when what I am telling you is fact? Typical. You don’t want to argue facts, you want to throw emotions and labels around. Let the personal attacks begin.

You are right about one thing. Having a gun in the house with young children is a large responsibility. Before I had children I had a number of firearms in the house. With an 8-year-old boy in the house it makes me nervous. I have sold a number of weapons and the rest are disassembled, greased, and in a safe deposit box….. except for one.

There is a .45 ACP revolver (S&W 625) in a lock box in my nightstand. The lock box electronically reads my handprint and springs open. Additionally, the gun has been retrofitted with a Magna Trigger. There is a ring that I wear that MUST be worn or the gun won’t fire. The gun is very secure, but at the same time I can access it in about 3 seconds. It can be done and done properly.

[JCameron]

well....

I'm glad to see I'm not the only liberal who hangs about these martial arts forums.
Republicans and conservatives in general, just don't make sense to me. They are all about banning abortion, because the poor little zygotes and fetuses deserve a chance at life, but on the same hand they are all for guns, which are indirectly responsible for many, many more deaths than abortion "causes".
Conservatives LOVE to say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Why not say, "Abortion doesn't kill fetuses, the mothers who go to get the abortion kill the fetuses"?

Now, I'm not for banning all guns, and I believe that hunters, skeet shooters, and others who have guns has a hobby or sport should be able to enjoy and keep those guns.
But they should have extensive background checks and psychological evaluations done at THEIR expense in order to have the privilidge of owning a dangerous WEAPON.

If a criminal or convict is ever cought with a gun, I think the law should impose the MAXIMUM sentence possible, and maybe this will help make scumbags think twice about owning a gun.
If a person has ever been convicted of any type of misdemeanor or felony that involves violence in any way, shape or form they should never, ever be allowed to own or touch a gun.

Now, unlike most conservatives, I'm not two faced about the issues of guns and abortion. The same strict laws that we hold to guns, I think we should hold to abortion. Before a woman gets an abortion I think she should have a psychological evaluation done to see if she is emotionally capable of going through an abortion without suffering mental and emotional damage. I also think abortions should be reserved for extreme cases such as rape, incest, and the situation in which the birth would cause the mother to die.
I think the government should put more money into adoption programs and offer assistance and benefits that would encourage young mothers to carry their children to term for adoption. On the same hand, I believe the government shouldn't fund abortion, unless it is one of the extreme cases mentioned above.

-JC

[Lacrymosa]

It appears that I've touched a nerve..........pilgrim.

[Lacrymosa]

I'm all for the conservative viewpoint in one case: I don't personally agree with abortion. I do however, believe that this should be a matter of choice for the individual. "Pro-Choice".....but my personal choice is "No Abortion".

[Mickey Finn]

Ronin:

LOL! Disemboweling seems a bit harsh. Believe it or not I agree that guns are too easy to acquire. They ought to be at least as difficult to obtain as a drivers license, and frankly judging by what I see going on on the road, I think drivers licenses are too easy to obtain!

If you could make all the guns in private hands magically dissolve, you might have something. I don’t know. At the moment I am still very capable of defending myself in a physical confrontation. The reality is that won’t always be the case for any of us. Sooner or later you will be reduced to being old and frail. Essentially a victim waiting for exploitation. When I hit that stage I think a gun in the drawer would be of some comfort.

I heard a statistic years ago that stated that for every man women and child in the US there are 6 guns. That is a lot of guns. The genie is out of the bottle and you can’t IMO put it back. What is worse, we have a gun culture in this country. Go to the movies and watch your hero solve all his problems with a gun.

If people want something, be it drugs, alcohol or guns, they WILL get it. The government can’t stop it. Prohibition didn’t work; the war on drugs is a dismal failure. The same thing will result if you attempt to disarm the public in this country. You will create a thriving black market, which will see that organized crime is fat and rich, just like prohibition (the rise of organized crime in this country) and the war on drugs did. It just won’t work.

What is the answer? Phuck if I know. My personal opinion is Concealed Carry laws should be liberalized. You should have to go through extensive background checks and training, but it should be a right. The successful purchase of a firearm should be contingent upon the successful completion of an extensive firearms education.

[Hawk]

Its a proven fact that when you start taking freedom away
the bad guys prosper and the good guys don't. Prohibition
proved that. The argument of most people who are against guns or some guns applies also to motor vehicles. They kill or maim much more then guns and they are a lot harder to control. Some people say "I just want to take away semi-autos, etc.". Well, lets just have cars that are governed down to 70 mph. Lets do away with sports cars and motorcycles because they are dangerous. Lets especially do away with 18 wheelers. Sounds silly doesn't it, however its no more a silly notion then doing away with guns, not necessarily because its a gun being taken away, but because its a freedom.
Hawk

[Mickey Finn]

Originally posted by Lacrymosa
It appears that I've touched a nerve..........pilgrim.

Impressive comeback. About what I expected.

[Lacrymosa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mickey Finn

There is a .45 ACP revolver (S&W 625) in a lock box in my nightstand. The lock box electronically reads my handprint and springs open. Additionally, the gun has been retrofitted with a Magna Trigger. There is a ring that I wear that MUST be worn or the gun won’t fire. The gun is very secure, but at the same time I can access it in about 3 seconds. It can be done and done properly.

...and about what I expected to hear from a frightened little man locked in his inpenetrable fortress in Suburbia.


[Edited by Lacrymosa on 10-11-2000 at 01:28 PM]

[Mickey Finn]

You know what man? You are a ****ing idiot. You have no idea where I live, what I have been through or how I live my life. You’re totally and completely clueless. Rather than engage someone you disagree with in a civil debate all you can do is name call. I guess when you have little in the way of intellectual resources to draw upon that’s the best you can do. You really do yourself and your position credit. Keep typing.

[Badger]

If you don't like guns....

don't own one!!!!

Rock On!!
-Badger

[Badger]

I do agree that maybe some type of gun liscense would be a good thing-kinda like the concealed weapon permit.


Want to stop gun violence-ban bad parents!

-Badger

[Lacrymosa]

As my intellectual superior, I was surprised that you couldn't find anything more clever than "****ing idiot".

I don't believe in guns for the same reason I don't personally believe in abortion. In the words of Mahatma Gandhi, "There is no situation in life or death in which I am willing to kill". I believe that there are less deadly ways in which civilized human beings can deal with problems or threats.

Total abolition of firearms will never happen. What has begun to happen in California, however, is a ban and recall on semi-automatic assault weapons. Those of you who are of the Pro-NRA persuasion, who among you can deny that these weapons in particular are not of an extremely aggressive nature? The common trend in defense of firearms is an ideal of self-defense. Is a simple hand gun not suitable for this purpose? When the answer is no, we begin to doubt whether the desire to own these assault weapons lie in an intimidation factor rather than self-defense.

The menace of firearms will probably never be erased from out nation, but their numbers must be controlled. Contrary to what many believe, the manufacturers of firearms and the NRA are not concerned with your well being. Much like the tobacco industry, they don't necessarily care who is needlessly killed by their product....so long as the profits continue to roll in.....and political leverage is in tact.

You can believe that a gun will save you in your hour of need. You can believe that the gun in your dresser drawer will not find your curious son or daughter. In fact, Mick, you can believe anything you want about me. The fact of the matter is: My only "close-call" with a firearm came at the hands of a "Law-Abiding Gunowner". With his shotgun pointed directly at my face, an annoying thought came to my mind. "This is why he owns the gun." It wasn't to save himself from a deadly mugger. It wasn't to protect his helpless family from the grasp of an evil intruder. It was to show this "Smart-mouthed Mes'kin boy" that he had no right to an opinion.

I'm not about to judge and label every gunowner by this fool's actions. I just believe that the right to arms is a liberty that must be kept in check. The laws regulating the sale of firearms are but a speed bump in the cause of gun control. Just like minors must pass a driver's exam to get a liscence, I also feel that a gun owner must likewise prove himself capable of handling a weapon. For whatever reason (sport), children have no business near firearms.

If and when, however unlikely, the Big Bad Government of the United States of America decides to ban ALL weapons. I'll admit that I'll be right there beside you, defending the 2nd Amendment. Until that time, I will always stand behind the idea that less guns in the general population is a good way to start.