Gun Confiscation Now Beginning in California

[Sensei Saki]

Understood.
I will mention that to my botmaster, .Please repeat the word to me 5 times.It's possible.I'm glad you like it. Tell your friends.
Perhaps I'm just expressing my own concern about it.

[MatthewAlphonso]

Right, repeatedly simulating the killing of virtual humanoids can't possibly desensitize anyone.... The word "fan" can't REALLY mean FANATIC, fanatical, or one that has fanatic tendencies???


Or could it....? Naahhhh...

lol, I will go on the assumption that you are not being sarcastic,just for the sake of making myself look like an ass when I end up being wrong.

Most people say that violent music and video games propagate violent tendencies. but has no one ever thought that perhaps it is violent people that are attracted to these things?

I mean look at the medieval time frame, no violent video games. they had wars left and right, even wars that lasted for more than 116 years (IE: the Hundre Years War, also known as the War of the Roses.) Plus, how is shooting an obviously fake (though very humanoid) figure akin, in any way, to shooting a real person? Furthermore, some people seem to have gotten the idea that video games are teaching us how to fire a weapon, this is most definitly a fallacy. As has been stated before (though not necessarily by me) no matter how advanced video games get they will never simulate real combat. If they did the government would restrict their distribution and only allow the military to use them (which the military does use a certain video game system for training, but the set up is incredibly expensive.)

[unclejoe357]

It is not the law abiding citizens most people want to take the guns away from. It is the criminals, the terrorist, these people.
I also disagree with the idea that any 18 year old can go out legally purchase any long rifle, including AK-47's and M-16's (not fully automatic of course). This can only contribute to violence as teenagers are more prone to act upon violent thoughts and stimuli without pausing to think upon it(although I refuse to believe any of this music and violent video game bullshit).

Most of the firearms laws are indeed geared towards taking away law abiding citizens gun rights. If you want to keep criminals from getting guns, enforce the existing laws.

Drugs and unregistered vehicles are illegal, criminals still get them.

The purchase of select fire weapons such as AK-47s and m-16s has been STRICTLY regulated since 1986. These guns run $10,000+ and require a minefield of backround checks and paperwork to fill out as well a $200 fee for registering each firearm.

A criminal, terrorist etc. just goes and shells out a few $$$ and gets an illegal one. No paperwork, backround checks.

Us law abiding citizens are on the same side as LE and military. Gun grabbers, IMO are siding with the criminals. Take away our guns and they keep theirs.

[MatthewAlphonso]

It is inevitable that in order to take away guns from the criminals, you need to, at times, impinge on the rights of the law abiding. But these laws do make it harder for criminals to get these things. Do we need to enforce the laws we have now? of course, but new laws will need to be added as time goes on. Just be happy you can have these weapons, in a lot of countries you wouldn't be able to have any gun at all.

[Tant01]

It is inevitable that in order to take away guns from the criminals, you need to, at times, impinge on the rights of the law abiding. But these laws do make it harder for criminals to get these things. Do we need to enforce the laws we have now? of course, but new laws will need to be added as time goes on. Just be happy you can have these weapons, in a lot of countries you wouldn't be able to have any gun at all.

Right, I can have them but they must be locked away, can't be loaded, carried or stashed in my car. Can't have high cap mags or a silencer and can't have a bullpup stock...
Criminals have never had it easier! You are only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

[MatthewAlphonso]

Right, I can have them but they must be locked away, can't be loaded, carried or stashed in my car. Can't have high cap mags or a silencer and can't have a bullpup stock...
Criminals have never had it easier! You are only fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

What need do you have for silencers, high capacity magazines, or bullpup stocks? as for the rest, we can doo all of that in Louisiana. It is advised that you keep it locked away and unloaded, but it is perfectly legal to have it loaded and holstered in your car, no need for a carry liscense to have it there. Furthermore, you can have it in an open carry holster in Nevada (I believe, either Nevada or New Mexico)

[MatthewAlphonso]

Matthew,
Speaking for myself as an ex-military Spec Ops member, a government security contractor and an avid shooter in the civilian world, I can find a bunch of good uses for everything you just mentioned. Personally, I've seen the black market gun trade, and no amount of laws are going to make it any tougher. Even if in some fantasy realm they make it more expensive, it just means criminals robbing you more often in order to pay for illegal guns. They had it right in the old west. If everyone is armed, everyone is polite.

Very well written, and I admit that you do have more experience than I (as I am still a minor). But I do not believe that arming everyone will make everyone polite, rather it will make belligerent people more likely to act upon their violent thoughts.
And just by taking these things out of the common market makes it harder for criminals to gain them. then they have to find a reputable seller, make sure they aren't police and then get the money to buy it.

Silencers make training on indoor ranges a lot safer. Hearing protection is always advisable, but a can on the end of the gun when I was in the service would have saved me a good deal of my hearing. Guns going off inside concrete buildings gets damned loud, and silencers (or less nefariously and more accurately "sound suppressors") help keep people's ears intact.

So, let indoor ranges rent/lend them out for use in their, there is still no need for a civilian to posess them

High capacity magazines are not criminal additions. They are practical, logical, and advisable civilian additions to any gun carried or owned for self-protection. Less reloads means a higher probability of survival. If you doubt this, ask the cops why they carry them.

I understand why the police own them but, unless you plan on having a tactical assault team engaging you within your household, you don't really need one.

Bullpup stocks? All they do is make a legal length rifle less cumbersome to maneuver in tight areas like, say, your home. If you deem a carbine length rifle better suited to home defense needs than a pistol or shotgun, then you need one that you can maneuver easily with through doors, hallways, and other restrictive areas. Bullpups facilitate this while keeping the liberals happy by maintaining a longer barrel length.

Again, you don't really need this unless you're under assault by a tactical assault team.

The gun arguments are a lot like most things. People tend to argue with you because they feel like you live in the same set of circumstances as they do. Because they can't envision a need for something, they can't imagine you should need it either. Maybe the only reason I need a silencer is so I don't wake the neighbors when I blow away a burglar in the middle of the night. My point is simply this: No one would dare stand for the government trying to regulate or license or limit an American's right to a trial by jury, right to religion, or right of free speech. It would be declared unconstitutional immediately. Yet people still want to try and license and regulate and limit Americans' right to keep and bear arms. Why is that one amendment so fluid and up for interpretation while the rest are the very foundation of our society? It isn't. It's just as important, no more and no less, than your right to free speech, your right to religious practice, or your right to a trial by a jury of your peers. Furthermore, when I was inducted into the armed forces, I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, and they never said anything about "...except for the second amendment."

Have you read the PATRIOT Act? it does limit our right to the trial by jury, it does (in a roundabout manner) limit our freedom of speech. And my freedom of religion is constantly under attack, ie people wanted to ban the celebration of Halloween (Samhaim for me) the posting of the 10 commandment is an affront to the separation of church and state. all of our rights are fluid, they are all constantly under scrutiny and attack, it's just that most of the restrictions get batted down before they have a chance.

The bottom line is that if the second amendment is up for debate, so is your freesom of speech and your choice of religion. If people tell you they think gun bans are okay, make sure they can defend their view without violating your views on what they should and shouldn't say.

Debate is about your views violating their views, if you agreed with me, we wouldn't have a debate. but I do understand where you are coming from. and I agree with you that the dangers of guns are far overblown, I agree that the gun confiscation is a bad thing. but we do need gun restrictions, we do need to keep certain weapons and ammunition from reaching the general population (can you imagine someone trying to defend their residential home with a 50 caliber and AP ammunition?), if only to make them feel better. Wjhat needs to be understood is that many of these laws are intended to have a psychological impact, just like most drug laws.

[Tant01]

Very well written,... But I do not believe that arming everyone will make everyone polite, rather it will make belligerent people more likely to act upon their violent thoughts.
And just by taking these things out of the common market makes it harder for criminals to gain them. then they have to find a reputable seller, make sure they aren't police and then get the money to buy it.



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..., I agree that the gun confiscation is a bad thing. but we do need gun restrictions, we do need to keep certain weapons and ammunition from reaching the general population (can you imagine someone trying to defend their residential home with a 50 caliber and AP ammunition?), if only to make them feel better. Wjhat needs to be understood is that many of these laws are intended to have a psychological impact, just like most drug laws.

Read carefully Son. You've been spoon fed liberal propaganda. This is pure crap. I think I should be able to buy 20mm depleted uranium projectiles for my anti missile weapons but I can't even buy the cannons to build one!

[HtTKar]

I just wanted to add this tidbit. Once I read this, I thougth of this post immediatly

The following mind-boggling attempt at a crime spree in Washington, DC appeared to be the robber's first (and last), due to his lack of a previous record of violence, and his terminally stupid choices:



1. His target was H&J Leather & Firearms, A gun shop specializing in handguns.



2. The shop was full of customers - firearms customers.



3. To enter the shop, the robber had to step around a marked police patrol car parked at the front door.



4. A uniformed officer was standing at the counter, having coffee before work.



5. Upon seeing the officer, the would-be robber announced a hold-up, and fired a few wild shots from a .22 target pistol. The officer and a clerk promptly returned fire, the police officer with a 9mm Glock 17, the clerk with a .50 Desert Eagle, assisted by several customers who also drew their guns, several of whom also fired, The robber was pronounced dead at the scene by Paramedics. Crime scene investigators located 47 expended cartridge cases in the shop. The subsequent autopsy revealed 23 gunshot wounds. Ballistics identified rounds from 7 different weapons. No one else was hurt in the exchange of fire.



Here we are at the beginning of March and we already may have the 2005 winner of the Darwin Award. This guy is going to be hard to beat.

[MatthewAlphonso]

I actually read that Darwin quite a few years ago. I dun think it's going to win this time.

Oh and Tant01 you know you can cast your own cannons... as well as rounds for it.

[polegirl]

I really don't understand why people get up in arms (pardon the pun) about guns. In my country most people do not own guns (and most people I know do not want to), in fact in a lot of countries around the world people do not own guns and we are all okay. In fact we have less crime than the US, wonder why that is?

Maybe rather than arguing about guns (and the right to bear arms) you should look at your society and why you have such high crime rates. Just a suggestion.

[Tant01]

I actually read that Darwin quite a few years ago. I dun think it's going to win this time.

Oh and Tant01 you know you can cast your own cannons... as well as rounds for it.

You may have read one like it. But if you REALLY knew about THIS incident you would have told us it happened in Seattle, Wa. Not Washington DC.

And FYI casting cannons is old school. I want MODERN WEAPONS like the Phalanx weapon system on Navy Ships...

I'm pretty sure the M-61A1 Gatling can not be "cast".


Check it out!

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/weapons/wep-phal.html

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/lincoln/abe-phalanx.jpg

I could see a couple of those set up on a hill top behind my house...

[MatthewAlphonso]

heh, I'm sure that casting your own cannon is much cheaper. Plus you can set your own caliber.

[Tant01]

There was a guy on the range a few years ago with a cannon he made. It shot spark plugs. There was another guy using bowling balls for ammo in his home made mortar cannon... Pretty cool but not a vulcan/ phalanx.

[MatthewAlphonso]

There was a guy on the range a few years ago with a cannon he made. It shot spark plugs. There was another guy using bowling balls for ammo in his home made mortar cannon... Pretty cool but not a vulcan/ phalanx.

yes, now imagaine taking that bowling ball, but making it out of cast iron or steel, filling it with powder, add a fuse, people and buildings go kablooey.

or fill it with grape shot, 1 inch round balls held together with rope and wood separators. the equivalent of medieval buckshot in a cannon. I wouldn't mind having that. actually I plan on it. as soon as I move out into the country with no neighbors to complain.