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    Got this in my email today from a friend in Iraq.

    "For what it's worth ... I've read, and then re-read every word in the note below, and believe it's one of the very few letters I've ever received that merit forwarding.
    This is the most cogent and powerful essay on the threat of Islamic terrorism I have seen. Dr. Vernon Chong is, without a doubt, the most articulate and convincing writer I have read regarding the War in Iraq . If you have any doubts, please open your mind to his essay and give it a fair evaluation. It's also eerily applicable to other current issues, such as Iran 's nuclear program, immigration, NAFTA's impact on American jobs, trade deficits, etc. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is, or the source of these thoughts, so when I received them, I almost deleted them, as well-written as they are. But then I did a Google search on the Doctor and found him to be a retired Air Force surgeon and past commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in San Antonio .."

    If you would like to see who this fine man is, go to this Air Force web site and look him up:
    http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000"

    Muslim terrorists and the U.S.A. :
    A different spin on the war in Iraq: This WAR is REAL

    Dr.. Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired

    To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

    The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who realize what losing really means.

    First, let's examine a few basics:

    1 When did the threat to us start?

    Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer, as far as the United States is concerned, is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:
    * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
    * Beirut , Lebanon Embassy 1983;
    * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
    * Lockerbie , Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
    * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
    * Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
    * Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
    * Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
    * Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;
    * New York World Trade Center 2001;
    * Pentagon 2001.

    (Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide.)

    2 Why were we attacked?

    Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessor, President Ford.

    3 Who were the attackers?

    In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

    4 What is the Muslim population of the World?

    25%.

    5 Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

    Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including
    7,000 Polish priests).

    (see http://www.Nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm

    Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy in killing anyone who got in the way of his extermination of the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian, or any others.

    Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US , but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, British, French or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own pronouncements
    -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was to remain silent or be killed?

    6 So who are we at war with?

    There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

    So with that background, now to the two major questions:
    1 Can we lose this war?

    2 What does losing really mean?

    If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:

    We can definitely lose this war and, as anomalous as it may sound, the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

    It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home, and going on about our business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.

    What losing really means is:

    We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will not subside, but, rather, will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks against us over the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly, for terrorists to attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.

    We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see; we are impotent and cannot help them..

    They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq .. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

    The next will probably be France .. Our one hope with France is that they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished, too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us. However, it may already be too late for France . France is already 20% Muslim and fading fast.

    Without our support, Great Britain will go, also. Recently, I read that there are more mosques in England than churches.

    If we lose the war, our production, income, exports, and way of life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us if they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the Muslim terrorists, how could anyone else?

    The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We'd better know it, too, and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

    Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100% effort to win.

    So, how can we lose the war?

    Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their purpose and failing to dig in and lend full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.

    Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life and death seriousness of this situation:

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    President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation. Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights to which we have become accustomed. We had better be prepared to lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them permanently.

    And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory .. and, in fact, added many more since that time.

    Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

    No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your head.

    Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us lose.

    I think some actually do. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our friends and it does great damage to our cause.

    Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of a few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.. These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues, and otherwise murdering their own just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

    And, just a few years ago, these same type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same type of enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq . And, still more recently, the same type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources internationally of the beheading of American prisoners they held.

    Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

    Can they be for real?

    The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are in, and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing can.

    To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned -- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife. Again, I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for many years.

    These people are a serious and dangerous liability to the war effort. We must take note of who they are and get them out of office. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just in the United States , but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of defense.

    We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge is valid. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good, powerful, and smart that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who attack us, and that, with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world. We can't!

    If we don't recognize this, our nation, as we know it, will not survive, and no other free country in the world will survive if we are defeated.

    And, finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

    This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or we will be equated in the history books to the self- inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.

    If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach, little by little, on the established French traditions.

    The French will be fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

    Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

    And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once they are in power.

    Muslims have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then start brutally killing each other over who the few will be controlling the masses.

    What is happening in Iraq is a good example. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct about the "peaceful Muslims?"

    I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said before: If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now, after the election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your future we are talking about. Do whatever you can to preserve it. I reiterate: our national election is under way.

    After reading the above, we all must do this, not only for ourselves, but for our children, our grandchildren, our country, and our world. Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal ... and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world.

    Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it. Our "leaders" in Congress ought to read it, too. There are those who find fault with our country, but it is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!

    Lastly, I wish to add: at the risk of offending, I sincerely think that anyone who rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the seriousness of this issue, or just deletes it without sending it on, is part of the problem. Let's quit laughing at and forwarding the jokes and cartoons which denigrate and ridicule our leaders in this war against terror. They are trying to protect the interests and well being of the US and it's citizens. Best we support them.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA

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    • #3
      2 Why were we attacked?

      Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessor, President Ford.



      this is totally idiotic.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ghost View Post
        2 Why were we attacked?

        Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats, as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate predecessor, President Ford.



        this is totally idiotic.
        Care to elaborate?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post
          Care to elaborate?
          thats not the reason people attack america, its becasue of american foreign policy.

          thats obvious and everyone knows it and the terrorists broadcast as much on their videos.

          Should not have to be elaborated on if you watch even mediocre news.

          I dont agree with terrorism but its quite clear that the americans are the evil ones on this planet, along with us brits.
          That doesnt mean terrorism is ok and it doesnt mean you and me cant retaliate.
          Its just if you stand back and look i think most would agree that we (usa and uk) do to the world is disgusting.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ghost View Post

            thats obvious and everyone knows it and the terrorists broadcast as much on their videos.
            So you consider the rhetoric of the people on the videos where they saw peoples heads of with dull knives to be a sane and reliable source of information?

            Or is it the videos made by the suicide bombers that you consider to be a sane and logical place to get unbiased and rational information?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post
              So you consider the rhetoric of the people on the videos where they saw peoples heads of with dull knives to be a sane and reliable source of information?

              Or is it the videos made by the suicide bombers that you consider to be a sane and logical place to get unbiased and rational information?
              run a google search and watch the news.

              do you really think its because people are jealous of the US. or could it be because they interfere with other countries and cause wide spread death and destruction.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ghost View Post
                run a google search and watch the news.

                do you really think its because people are jealous of the US. or could it be because they interfere with other countries and cause wide spread death and destruction.
                I read plenty of books, I've served in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and I watch the news on tv and I also read the news on the net (from multiple countries).
                None of that changes the fact that America has only been around for several hundred years, yet Muslims have been instructed by their religion to wipe out the infidel for longer than the United states has existed so how the hell is that a by product of our foreign policy? It sounds more like its because were the "wrong" religion to me. Remember we didn't even EXIST when the instructions to wipe out the infidels were given so unless Muhammad had a time machine...

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                • #9
                  Infidels are non believers, christians and jews are called people of the book.
                  As US people are mainly christians, your argument doesn't hold.
                  I do think Ghost has a point, that and the fact that the US blocks any UN resolution against Israel with a Veto no matter what, should be seen as reasons more than the kill infidels parts in islam
                  Afterall if you were right, then the whole non islamic part of the world would be hated.
                  What did Osama Bin Laden have to envy, he's from a succesfull family with shitloads of money
                  ALso you must we aware of the fact that certain religious people (of all major religions) think there is such a thing as too much freedom, so rather than envy there is detest for it

                  Now picture this, a large islamic country with an army larger than that of the US attacks the US under false premesis of Illegal weapons, occupies it and instals an islamic gouvernment, do you think americans should/would attack them?

                  Now I condem terrorist attacks and do so for 1 reason: innocent bystanders get killed
                  But then again I will condem any attack where innocent casualties are accepted

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL] View Post
                    Infidels are non believers, christians and jews are called people of the book.
                    That may be how kafir is translated but that isn't how it's used. I've personally found it painted on our gear after attacks. Osama has used it in several of his speeches targeting the USA as well. Soldiers wouldn't have made such a big deal of displaying infidel logos and T shirts and ball caps if we weren't being bashed over the head with it on a regular basis.

                    And of course Muslims haven't got a problem in the world with "people of the book" IE: Jews and Christians.They were waging war on both long before there was a USA, nice try though.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post
                      I read plenty of books, I've served in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and I watch the news on tv and I also read the news on the net (from multiple countries).
                      None of that changes the fact that America has only been around for several hundred years, yet Muslims have been instructed by their religion to wipe out the infidel for longer than the United states has existed so how the hell is that a by product of our foreign policy? It sounds more like its because were the "wrong" religion to me. Remember we didn't even EXIST when the instructions to wipe out the infidels were given so unless Muhammad had a time machine...
                      Muslims are not instructed to wipe out the infidel. This is madness, i personally think your post should be deleted and please dont think you will score any brownie points for serving in Iraq or Afganistan.

                      What would you do if you were invaded?
                      Probably what they are doing.

                      Now if that pissed you off look at it from their perspective. YOU invaded THEM. Why? They didnt do the terrorist attacks. Whats it got to do with Iraq or even afganistan? bin laden is Saudi and in Pakistan.
                      THe reality is America and the UK are the ones going around the world invading and bombing people for oil and power and if you stop for a minute you might see it. cos the rest of the world can see it. Thats why we are the most hated countries on earth, and we walk around thinking the russians and chinese were brain washed by their government. Well thats us.
                      Everyone outside can see it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TTEscrima View Post
                        Muslims have been instructed by their religion to wipe out the infidel
                        I live right in the middle of one of the biggest Muslim communities in the UK. Every day I work with these people, talk to them, buy goods from them and share the same space in perfect peace and acceptance of each other's culture. I'm still alive, no one has tried to wipe me out yet, and I'm a Roman Catholic (which from your point of view probably means a member of the IRA).

                        I have written on this before. There is an absolute minority of the community where I live, that gather in the local park and express their hatred of the West, and the war in Iraq. They are not considered members or friends of the local Muslim community, the Muslims I speak to have the same opinion of these people as I do. They are anarchic cowards who hide behind the banner of Islam to convince stupid, ignorant people that terrorism is an expression of the Muslim faith. It appears to be working.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ghost View Post
                          Muslims are not instructed to wipe out the infidel.

                          KORAN commands to kill infidels:

                          Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

                          On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

                          Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

                          Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

                          Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
                          (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

                          ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

                          If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

                          You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

                          Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

                          Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

                          But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

                          Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

                          O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

                          Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

                          O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

                          It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

                          Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

                          When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

                          Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

                          Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

                          Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

                          O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

                          Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

                          Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
                          Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

                          As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

                          Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

                          Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

                          When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
                          (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

                          Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

                          Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

                          Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

                          Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

                          The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

                          Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

                          Originally posted by Ghost View Post
                          This is madness, i personally think your post should be deleted
                          So I'm not allowed to voice my views eh? And you wonder why we're at war, We dare to speak and by god posts cartoons!!

                          Originally posted by Ghost View Post
                          and please dont think you will score any brownie points for serving in Iraq or Afganistan.
                          Not with terrorist sympathizers, I won't but the American women LOVE me, I've scored Brownies and more if you know what I mean.

                          Originally posted by Ghost View Post
                          What would you do if you were invaded?
                          Probably what they are doing.
                          Hey we didn't wait to get invaded, Muslim terrorists declared a jihad and flew airplanes into the world trade center and the pentagon. So we looked up Jihad in the ole dictionary realized it was declaration of war and said WHEEE doggies it's on!!

                          Originally posted by Ghost View Post
                          Now if that pissed you off look at it from their perspective. YOU invaded THEM. Why? They didnt do the terrorist attacks. Whats it got to do with Iraq or even afganistan? bin laden is Saudi and in Pakistan.
                          THe reality is America and the UK are the ones going around the world invading and bombing people for oil and power and if you stop for a minute you might see it. cos the rest of the world can see it. Thats why we are the most hated countries on earth, and we walk around thinking the russians and chinese were brain washed by their government. Well thats us.
                          Everyone outside can see it.
                          So you're claiming there are no terrorist in Afghanistan or Iraq? Get out much?
                          And I see you know where Bin ladin is as well by your post but I bet you haven't reported it to the proper authorities to receive your 10 million dollar reward, that makes you a terrorist sympathizer!! I sure as hell hope you don't think that's earning you any brownie points.

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                          • #14
                            Alright, time to come clean. I did get this from a friend in Iraq and it struck me as classic American Propaganda. It was named Warning terrifying truth and chillingly insightful. I decided to knock the title down to what I thought of it which was how it's chillingly insightful into how propaganda is spread. Then I kicked back and waited on the responses. Ready for a shocker? I tend to agree with you, except you guys can't even defend your own position with facts, it's no wonder you can't get any attention you're poorly informed and allow your emotions to cloud your ability to discuss things in a rational manner without inflaming the situation and shooting yourselves in the foot in the process. Every claim you made was easily turned right back on you and the actual facts you could have disputed went right over your heads. Information is power, get armed with the facts, study history don't just spout the first shit that comes to mind because you're mad, it makes you easier targets. Know your enemy, my last post was exactly how a red blooded American patriot would have responded to your blathering babble you're not doing yourself any favors by walking into the trap full of righteous indignation.

                            Now go read this thread:http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/o...s-like-go.html

                            You'll see I already argued you side with Mike there and used facts and history instead of emotion. Hope your heads didn't explode guys I'm just pointing out what you're up against and how you might fare better in future debates.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Michael Wright View Post
                              I'm still alive, no one has tried to wipe me out yet, and I'm a Roman Catholic (which from your point of view probably means a member of the IRA).
                              Nice way to slip a personal attack in, that didn't aid your argument, it showed your inability to stick to facts and trust your comments to stand alone without adding in personal attacks. It told me I was already under you skin and you were going to be easy to trip up from that point on because in your first response you let emotion cloud your views and statement.

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