Motivational Posters

[Ghost]

And by substance he means Youtube videos.

by substance i mean the ability to talk about technique and the ability to understand what you are looking at.

like your take on thai boxing being about conditioning the elbows and shins, though you claim you have studied it, you would know this is not true.

what the hell is shin and elbow conditioning?

I cant help but get the impression you are an armchair warrior.

you dont seem to have any real knowledge beyond saying what you think is crap and what is good.

your arguments seem to mostly consist of "i am right and you wouldnt know"

yet the few points you do come up with are consistent with other peoples experiences. i can clearly see you know nothing of boxing or thai boxing. In thailand it is common for people to fight in totally different weight classes other than at the higher levels at higher levels its not on. happens in the uk and usa as well as long as both sides agree to it, its pretty common. only when you get to area title level does it matter, though most fights are at the same weight. its certainly not a rule.


did you work out why boxing matches have weight classes yet and why they last 12 rounds?

this is my point, you dont understand why, cos you dont do martial arts...do you?

[Uke]

its because they are so close in skill, obviously in the ring you have to have the same weight or its not an even contest. when you get 2 guys at almost the same skill level weight makes a huge difference.

you should know this its basic and the reason why there are weight classes.

That's nonsense. Journeyman often fight champions as tune ups. Peter McNeeley was hardly close in terms of skill to Mike Tyson when they fought. When the guys from the contender get shots at elite boxers they aren't close in terms of skill. Vernon Forest took Shane Mosley apart. In his next bout he was beaten by a journeyman named Ricardo Mayorga, who Shane knocked out this year.

In fact, you seldom see two equally skilled fighter pitted against each other. When you do it looks like Gatti/Ward, Castillio/Corrales and Barrera/Morales. Fights like those seldom come along. In most cases its one boxer being showcased against an opponent. But then again that's the boxing business. Only someone who knows nothing about it would think that both fighters are equally skilled in most matches.

You really thought that nonsense about boxing, huh?

Most modern pioneers, from Kano to Ueshiba to Gaje to Helio Gracie to Bruce Lee to Nelson to Visitacion to Oyama to Oyata ... these were all small men who were able to defeat and subdue larger men. What these men did wasn't predicated on how large their opponent was. They were able to win, and quite quickly without long drawn out bouts.

That's something you just don't understand because you have little if any exposure to things outside or the perceived "fight game" of boxing/kickboxing and MMA. Of the names mentioned above you may recognize maybe two.

You could put the best 140lbs champion thaiboxer against a promising but much less experienced 200lbs rising star in K-1 and watch your theory fall apart right in front of you.

[Ghost]

That's nonsense. Journeyman often fight champions as tune ups. Peter McNeeley was hardly close in terms of skill to Mike Tyson when they fought. When the guys from the contender get shots at elite boxers they aren't close in terms of skill. Vernon Forest took Shane Mosley apart. In his next bout he was beaten by a journeyman named Ricardo Mayorga, who Shane knocked out this year.

In fact, you seldom see two equally skilled fighter pitted against each other. When you do it looks like Gatti/Ward, Castillio/Corrales and Barrera/Morales. Fights like those seldom come along. In most cases its one boxer being showcased against an opponent. But then again that's the boxing business. Only someone who knows nothing about it would think that both fighters are equally skilled in most matches.

You really thought that nonsense about boxing, huh?

Most modern pioneers, from Kano to Ueshiba to Gaje to Helio Gracie to Bruce Lee to Nelson to Visitacion to Oyama to Oyata ... these were all small men who were able to defeat and subdue larger men. What these men did wasn't predicated on how large their opponent was. They were able to win, and quite quickly without long drawn out bouts.

That's something you just don't understand because you have little if any exposure to things outside or the perceived "fight game" of boxing/kickboxing and MMA. Of the names mentioned above you may recognize maybe two.

You could put the best 140lbs champion thaiboxer against a promising but much less experienced 200lbs rising star in K-1 and watch your theory fall apart right in front of you.

its not a theory, its done to make the playing field as level as possible.

come on its obvious, its there so you are competing against as physically similar opponents as possible. at higher levels this makes a difference.

in k1 the skill levels are usually less closely matched.

i cant believe we are even having this conversations.

so tell me why you think there are weight classes in these fighting sports?

also, where did you study thai boxing, and what is elbow conditioning?

[Ghost]

also, please tell me why yiou think boxing matches go on so long

[Uke]

its not a theory, its done to make the playing field as level as possible.

It's done to make it seem more competitive and give a show for the audience. When someone is much better they should be able to knock out their opponent almost immediately/ Mike Tyson used to do it in almost all of his fights when Cus was still alive. He would completely dominate his competition, and those who lasted longer only did so by jabbing and running. That's what any fight should look like.

Weight classes are just a device used to give a better show. As I said earlier, MMA started off by using no weight classes and those fights ended fast. There was more fighting and less jabbing and feeling each other out. If you think that jabbing and feeling each other out is real combat then you have absolutely no idea about combat. All that was before everyone began using the guard and used whatever original training they had.

How well did Orlando Weit, a muay thai champion, do when he faced a judo champ? He got his ass kicked. How well did Roland Payne, who also was a thaiboxer, do in his fight against a karate man? They were KO'd within minutes. So stop trying to make MT seem like its more formidable than it is. If the way you fight takes 12 rounds to end a bout then its folly to liken it to self defense.

come on its obvious, its there so you are competing against as physically similar opponents as possible. at higher levels this makes a difference.

What is a higher level than world championship competition? Weight classes are there so that the matches don't seem like toughman matches where the smaller opponent gets mauled by the bigger opponent.

in k1 the skill levels are usually less closely matched.

How are the skill levels any less closely match than in professional boxing and kickboxing? Every professional fighting sport has bums. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

so tell me why you think there are weight classes in these fighting sports?

I have in detail but you just can't seem to grasp it.

also, where did you study thai boxing, and what is elbow conditioning?

I'm not a "thai boxer" but MT techniques are a part of the system I belong to. And if you seriously don't know what shin and forearm conditioning is as it pertains to muay thai then you are pretending to be something that you're clearly not.

[jubaji]

your arguments seem to mostly consist of "i am right and you wouldnt know"

Bingo. That's TTExcrement's one tune as well.

[TTEscrima]

How well did Orlando Weit, a muay thai champion, do when he faced a judo champ? He got his ass kicked.

Now thats an understatement and a half, and the Judo guy dusted his ass with...elbows. LOL.

[jubaji]

The Brazillians spell it Jiu Jitsu, theJapanese spell it Jujitsu or Ju jitsu or Ju Jit Su.

Jujutsu is the closest transliteration, actually.

[Tant01]

Gjj/bjj

Jujutsu is the closest transliteration, actually.

But the common MIS-spelling is fairly consistent with the "Brazilian: style of grappling...

[kingoftheforest]

Some things are just made for certain people.



Woof woof



Boo...boo

[Ghost]

It's done to make it seem more competitive and give a show for the audience. When someone is much better they should be able to knock out their opponent almost immediately/ Mike Tyson used to do it in almost all of his fights when Cus was still alive. He would completely dominate his competition, and those who lasted longer only did so by jabbing and running. That's what any fight should look like.

Weight classes are just a device used to give a better show. As I said earlier, MMA started off by using no weight classes and those fights ended fast. There was more fighting and less jabbing and feeling each other out. If you think that jabbing and feeling each other out is real combat then you have absolutely no idea about combat. All that was before everyone began using the guard and used whatever original training they had.

How well did Orlando Weit, a muay thai champion, do when he faced a judo champ? He got his ass kicked. How well did Roland Payne, who also was a thaiboxer, do in his fight against a karate man? They were KO'd within minutes. So stop trying to make MT seem like its more formidable than it is. If the way you fight takes 12 rounds to end a bout then its folly to liken it to self defense.



What is a higher level than world championship competition? Weight classes are there so that the matches don't seem like toughman matches where the smaller opponent gets mauled by the bigger opponent.


How are the skill levels any less closely match than in professional boxing and kickboxing? Every professional fighting sport has bums. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.





I have in detail but you just can't seem to grasp it.



I'm not a "thai boxer" but MT techniques are a part of the system I belong to. And if you seriously don't know what shin and forearm conditioning is as it pertains to muay thai then you are pretending to be something that you're clearly not.

when did i say jabing and feeling your opponent out was real combat.

weight classes are there to make the contest more even in the same way youd put HP limits on car races.
end of.

there is no forearm conditioning in MT, end of.

you dont know what you are talking about....
end of.

[Uke]

Why do you need to make fights more even?

Mas Oyama fought over 200 men and never required any of them to be a certain height or weight. He fought men from several disciplines including wrestling, boxing, karate, kickboxing, and judo. There were no rounds. He didn't require any rules either. He beat all of them usually in the first minute. That is real. That's fighting without the pads, rules and stipulations that let your so-called sport fighting look like it would work in an all out fight.

What's so sad about your general understanding of combat is that you don't realize that if what you practice needs to be made more even then what you practice doesn't work outside those manufactured parameters, and you've only been strengthening that point with your argument, Ghost. Good going.

And don't try and change what you asked. You asked me what shin and elbow conditioning was. If you don't know because you've never really trained in muay thai. When throwing the "elbow" its the ulna that does the damage, not the actual elbow joint unless your dropping the "elbow" or throwing it to the side or reverse angles.

Throwing an elbow like throwing any strike is honed by repetition hitting and MT is no different. The shin conditioning in MT includes repeatedly striking the shin or rolling over it in an effort to toughen it. The fact that this is news to you exposes you. If you've never heard of makiwara or its concept then you're not worth wasting time on.

End of.

[gregimotis]

Someone photoshop this into a poster:




"Beware of arguing with an idiot on the internet.
Chances are, he's doing the some."

[jubaji]

Mas Oyama fought over 200 men .

Oh, here come the bull killing stories.

[jubaji]

you don't realize that if what you practice needs to be made more even then what you practice doesn't work outside those manufactured parameters

So, boxers, wrestlers, muay thai fighters, judoka, etc. never get into fights outside the 'ring', and if they did they would be utterly helpless? Yeah, ok.

Didn't you recently say that you never said anything didn't work?