What has happened to Martial Arts that was taught as a defence ? ? ?

[bumpus]

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What has happened to All of the Martial Arts Systems that were designed and
taught as a source of defence years ago ?

Today it has turned into a means to be aggressive toward most anyone even
in there own Styles and schools.

Today if people never knew what it was in the past, it might be called
( The Art Of Aggressive Retaliation, Or The Gladiators Of Old In Training )
Look at the Cage Matches.

The original teachers of the Arts taught people simple ways to defend themselves from
Aggressive Fighters, and not to be aggressive to others.

When people turned and started the training for competition, trophies, and bragging rights, the
whole system has turned 180 degrees around, and now it turns out mostly hate, revenge,
paybacks, and eliminate an individual if you can, So they can be NUMBER 1 ...
instead of being peaceful people, with a good influence for others to go by.

I heard many teachers back in the early 1970's say this would be the outcome of most
future schools and training.

Looks like they were right ! ! !

What are your thoughts on this matter ? ? ?
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[JKDPhilosopher]

Exactly! Martial Arts were designed to hurt and kill opponents as a means of defense! Both are intertwined! One without the other cannot exist. Self defense meant stopping an opponent by hurting him. Arts that strictly offer pacifist ways to stop an aggressor are actually a modern phenomenon. In our culture violence is not condoned publicly except in sports. That is why most schools advertised the arts as a means to defend and not be the aggressor. But in actuality being aggressive is the key to defending your self, especially in a life and death situation from which most Martial Arts developed.

Personal behavior has to do with the individual training, and the individual teacher. What values are instilled as to what one does with the skills one is acquiring has nothing to do with the art it self. Its kinda of like saying guns kill people. They dont, people kill people. Has the environment changed? Yes, and it continues to do so. The Philosophy of the Arts has not for the most part. The Martial Arts were born out of a need for defending one-self from a death threat by hurting and or killing the source of the threat. Character, values and the like were born mostly in peace time.

[bumpus]

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I know that the style I was taught under had a system of 10 degrees of self defense
#1 ... was to walk away, all others were in progression to
#10 ... which was ( if you had to ) kill a person only in a case of self defense,
if there was no other way out in defending yourself or others.

Nothing was taught for the purpose of starting or provoking a fight.

If a good teacher saw this type of bad attitude in a person they would deal with them, and if they
refused to change there attitude, they were not part of the class anymore.
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[JKDPhilosopher]

Most schools dont teach people to provoke and start fights. The ones that do are far and few between. Your statement generalizes all schools to do that, and the ones that dont are few. Im sorry but that is not the case. Your former school is not wrong for teaching the way they did. But that from of teaching was developed way after your particular styles birth. Martial Arts as pure defense is a modern philosophy mainly born out of western culture. I do not disagree with that philosophy though.

It seems you dont like the sport aspect of the Arts. Thats your right. But dont make sweeping statements about the state of Martial Arts, because overall, the Arts teach what your former one did. The sports arena has nothing to do with self-defense, it has to do with winning. No body like some ass-hole who want to always fight. I dont care what school you go to, I bet thats not tolerated.

[shaolin-warrior]

Martial Arts are Martial, used in war used to hurt or kill or defend, Sporting arts can be martial, but the battlefield is the ring, the cage, the tournament mats. They are alike in as many ways as they are different.
Sporting Arts are responsible for a renewed interest in Martial Arts as a whole. Like it or not, it has rightfully earned a place in the evolutional chain of Martial Arts. As a traditional Martial Artist, I'm excited about the newest platform for martial artist to further the advancement of their art, they ignite the spark that lights the interest in the next generation of martial artist, and they increase the public’s awareness of the martial arts. They are great role models for the most part, they promote a healthy lifestyle, they are disciplined, and they are successful business men who give back to their sport. Try to make that same general sweeping statement about a baseball or football player. I wish I was 30 years younger; I'd love a chance in the octagon, instead of in front of my TV watching it.

[jubaji]

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What has happened to All of the Martial Arts Systems that were designed and
taught as a source of defence years ago ?

Today it has turned into a means to be aggressive toward most anyone even
in there own Styles and schools.

Today if people never knew what it was in the past, it might be called
( The Art Of Aggressive Retaliation, Or The Gladiators Of Old In Training )
Look at the Cage Matches.

The original teachers of the Arts taught people simple ways to defend themselves from
Aggressive Fighters, and not to be aggressive to others.

When people turned and started the training for competition, trophies, and bragging rights, the
whole system has turned 180 degrees around, and now it turns out mostly hate, revenge,
paybacks, and eliminate an individual if you can, So they can be NUMBER 1 ...
instead of being peaceful people, with a good influence for others to go by.

I heard many teachers back in the early 1970's say this would be the outcome of most
future schools and training.

Looks like they were right ! ! !

What are your thoughts on this matter ? ? ?
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My thoughts are that you must be around 13 years old.

[bumpus]

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No I am 61 years old and I learned when I was 35 that the martial arts where heading to nothing but combat training.

I did not know this was a site to make fun of others who under stand the future that was predicted by the old teacher who said the things taught today are far from what was first taught to the true students of the martial arts.

But it is shown it's self to become what they said would change the original intent of there teaching which they did not condone and would never teach ! ! !

Today it is nothing but offence combat and competition and be a champion, and get a trophy and a higher rank belt if you can.

If an enemy is down you you leave them alone, and go on nothing else ! ! !

Very little is taught about real defence as the old teachers taught and condoned and supported years ago ! ! !
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[jubaji]

You're not 61. You are a kid with silly romantic comic-book notions about MA, and in a few decades - if you ever bother to learn anything - you will realize how stupid you sound right now.

[kingoftheforest]

While no so abrasively I have to agree with jubs. This idea you have is a fairy tale. Prisoners where used to be beat apon to test out some of the earlier martial techniques, and several martial heroes where actually criminals.

Not the idealistic beacons of purity you want them to be.

Now if you're saying people stretch things out and don't teach simple ion order to continue to collect a pay check, yes I agree.

[chrisadam11]

Martial Arts are Martial, used in war used to hurt or kill or defend, Sporting arts can be martial, but the battlefield is the ring, the cage, the tournament mats. They are alike in as many ways as they are different.
Sporting Arts are responsible for a renewed interest in Martial Arts as a whole. Like it or not, it has rightfully earned a place in the evolutional chain of Martial Arts. As a traditional Martial Artist, I'm excited about the newest platform for martial artist to further the advancement of their art, they ignite the spark that lights the interest in the next generation of martial artist, and they increase the public’s awareness of the martial arts. They are great role models for the most part, they promote a healthy lifestyle, they are disciplined, and they are successful business men who give back to their sport. Try to make that same general sweeping statement about a baseball or football player. I wish I was 30 years younger; I'd love a chance in the octagon, instead of in front of my TV watching it.

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[Uke]

You're not 61. You are a kid with silly romantic comic-book notions about MA, and in a few decades - if you ever bother to learn anything - you will realize how stupid you sound right now.

Said the guy who charged in to "ninja shadow suplex" an attacker who had a knife in his hand.

Oh brother...

[jubaji]

Said the guy who charged in to "ninja shadow suplex" an attacker who had a knife in his hand.

Oh brother...

What is "ninja shadow duplex"?

[bumpus]

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It's hard for people to understand something they know nothing about.

When they don't understand, they like to make fun of the one they don't agree with.

But true facts are facts and many are never convinced,
and they believe what they are taught in the present.
Real history means nothing to them.

The true art is not taught much anymore,
it's mostly who is the best, and who can whip who,
Out group is better than yours, and your style is usless,
and you want to put money where your mouth is because
I'll bet you on my fighter ... $$$.

Also where is my trophy ?
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[jubaji]

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It's hard for people to understand something they know nothing about.



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So go out and learn something, kid.

[GQchris]

I blame douchebags from the UFC culture.