Moral Philosophy

[Matthew]

cant start off knowing everything, i have to adapt my views as i learn more

How about you refrain from making judgements until you have a decent amount of knowledge on the subject. It is a fairly easy practice, here is an example.
After reading some of your posts, i suspected that you might be an idiot, but knowing that i had not read enough of your posts to pass judgement i decided not to label you just yet.
Now, a few weeks later, i honestly feel that after reading enough of your writing, i have enough information to form a valid opinion based upon facts. That opinion is that you're an idiot.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

To show how the philo works in practical situations,
I was given this post.

(Another poster
"My art teaches a moral code; it teaches the most effective ways of being a treacherous, passive-agressive, lying, cheating backstabber. Does that count?"


(me)
Well it depends. Is the motivation behind this in order for you to protect yourself, your loved ones, and make sure YOU will be the winner in an altercation with someone who wishes to hurt you or some other innocent person?

If it is, then it does count. You are following universal standards of Martial Virtue.

If the motivation is to hurt, dominate, and humiliate others than you're not following the universal standards of martial virtue.



Hope this helps somewhat.
Take care of yourselves.

Ryu

[Kingston]

i was watching a show recently about the generation gaps and morality vs ethics. i didn't catch all of it, and i cant remember exactly what was going on lol. Basicaly it was the fact that parents always think there kids are acting immoral, even though the kids feel they are acting moral, (perhaps it was the culture gap of parants of one culture to kids growing up in another)

They fount that The kids where still acting ethicaly even if there moral views are different from there parents (for example pre marital sex)

I think it basicaly said that ethics are universal, while morals can change from parent to kid (i bet there was more stuff but i only cought to end of the show). cool stuff, i should have payed more attention.

lol i cant remember the name of the show, or the doctor what was on it. It was intresting, but there always seems to be more then one intresting thing on T.V. at a time. I need to get that tape a show while watching another show technology stuff lol.

oh ya and crouchtig.......i hope your actions are the result of the fact that your brain is probaly not fully matured.......i hope you grow out of it.

[darrianation]

Re: Moral Philosophy

Originally posted by unknown warrior
Karate-do cannot exist without a body of moral philosophy to govern the the behaviour of those who embrace it's empowering practice. Learning Karate-do without it's corresponding philosophy creates a terrible imbalance which is usually reflected in attitude, character and behaviour.

So. How does it help you fight?

[Crouchtig]

Originally posted by Kingston


oh ya and crouchtig.......i hope your actions are the result of the fact that your brain is probaly not fully matured.......i hope you grow out of it.

i hope so too

perhaps im an intelligent person who uses his intelligence for stupid purposes

morals can be useful:

humans are only nice to each other because it benefits our species as a whole. we are being selfless for selfish reasons

a mother gives up her life to save her child. a selfless act? no. she did it to protect her genes.

i decide not to kill someone. a selfless act? no. im genetically programed not to kill them and in return they dont kill me and the species benefits

i know what im trying to say but am having problems explianing it. i think i might have accidently got two seperate points mixed up

it doesnt matter if my martial arts teacher tries to teach me morals: either its there already (in the genes or as a result of culture) or it isnt because it just doesn't make sense to have it

if a moral belief will benefit me then i will most likely have it.

[Crouchtig]

matthew you should have read some of my early post

eg "at what poit do you hit someone?"

back when i was sensible and full of ideas

[swan104]

Originally posted by Crouchtig

humans are only nice to each other because it benefits our species as a whole. we are being selfless for selfish reasons

a mother gives up her life to save her child. a selfless act? no. she did it to protect her genes.

i decide not to kill someone. a selfless act? no. im genetically programed not to kill them and in return they dont kill me and the species benefits

I've read something similar to that along those lines. I understand where you're coming from but personally, I don't believe in it 100%. I think some behaviour is passed down through your genes. However....

Would you kill a dog or other animal for no apparent reason if you could get away with it? I mean, the animal poses no threat to your existence? I couldn't do it.

[Crouchtig]

good point but i believe that the "not killing a dog" is just an extension of the "not killing a human"

we sometimes see animals as being like people and our natural instinct not to kill people is extended to them

dogs can be useful

killing an animal for no reason is a waste of energy

[Ryu (JKD?)]

When you get to college, I'd recommend taking a good ethical theory class. You'll learn lots of the different theories centered on why morality is so central to our species.

Take care,
Ryu

[ryanhall]

When you get to college, I'd recommend taking a good ethical theory class. You'll learn lots of the different theories centered on why morality is so central to our species.

Don't pass on this advice. With your philosophy, you're likely to end up dead in a back alley.

[Crouchtig]

Originally posted by ryanhall

Don't pass on this advice. With your philosophy, you're likely to end up dead in a back alley.

well we've all go to go sometime

what exactly is my philosophy then?

[BlackMaskX]

Philosophy not required . . . but highly recommended

IMHO, martial arts are not intended as systems of spiritual enlightenment or moral development, even if some martial artists gain these benefits. They were designed to be tools for fighting, which the practitioner can use to do what he wants. Karate
*-do* may require moral development, but the original art of karate does not.

However, teaching students when and when not to use these skills is definitely advisable. Teaching a loose cannon dangerous or lethal skills is not wise, moral, or ethical. Pacifist and spiritual philosophies are not the point of martial arts, but they are certainly advisable, and I think that simply training to become a killing machine is a dead-end road because martial arts have much more to offer.

Crouchtig, my friend, I think you need to reconsider your stances on morals (unless these aren't really your opinions and you are just deliberately being a pain in the ass), because you are headed for trouble with your philosophy.

[ryanhall]

That morality is a facade, that people are completely self-serving in their actions, and that your only deterrent from doing something is a fear of the consequences, not that it is in contradition with some code of behavior that you hold yourself to.

[darrianation]

That morality is a facade, that people are completely self-serving in their actions, and that your only deterrent from doing something is a fear of the consequences, not that it is in contradition with some code of behavior that you hold yourself to.

I agree. However I do believe that most of us have some rudimentary inner knowledge of right or wrong. However this can be societal too.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Originally posted by darrianation
That morality is a facade, that people are completely self-serving in their actions, and that your only deterrent from doing something is a fear of the consequences, not that it is in contradition with some code of behavior that you hold yourself to.

I agree. However I do believe that most of us have some rudimentary inner knowledge of right or wrong. However this can be societal too.

darrianation,

This isn't what Ryan Hall believes (quite the contrary). He's just telling CrouchTig what his philosophy is coming across as.

Ryu