Bush good or bad?

[Kingston]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Oversimplification of complex events is an American Pastime with no rival.

Especially amongst the ignorant.

I think whats right and wrong, good and bad, are pretty 'simple' concepts.

some issues only get complicated after hotheads do something drastic.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Yeah, and we all know how value based moral perspectives like right and wrong are so very simple....

[Szczepankiewicz]

I just reread the title of this thread.

Bush good or bad?

I vote bush good. Very good indeed.

As long as it's attached to the right kind of chassis.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
Negative Megatron.

The burden of proof was that Iraq proves that they were clean. As a condition of the cease fire, after Iraq surrendered to the first coalition, it was up to Iraq to prove they had complied, not up to the UN, or any other member nation to prove that Iraq had not complied with 1441 and the other 17 resolutions.

Yes and now the burden is on Britain to prove that we had jsutification to believe they were breaking the agreement in the first place.

If the Iraqis say they havent got something and we say they have we attack them and it turns out they havent, its a bit awkward. isnt it.
I can imagine its hard to prove you dont have something.

I can think of arguments against the Iraqis but i cant see how war is going to be justified now that the whole reason for going to war was incorrect. It doesnt make sence. Its messy.

[Ghost]

Go to www.google.com
type in Weapons of Mass destruction and then click im feeling lucky.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Classic....

[platinum_angel]

yeah classic.........

my personal opinion is the iraq war was stupid in the first place. people i know who are republican say that ohhhh well would you rather have them attack us at home. i always say oh well would you rather have north korea or the entire middle east attack us.

[mr. bond]

Don't you find it inconsistent that bush is not already pushing for war on North Korea? Aren't they blatantly stating, "we have weapons of mass destruction!!! hey! look at us!"

personally, i'd rather see the whole thing settled through diplomacy and N. Korea disarmed that way, but i think the only reason Bush didn't go to war with North Korea instead of Iraq is because they are far more dangerous.

plus, they don't have tons of oil.

[Tom Yum]

Yeah, I think N. Korea has admitted to having WMD. Wouldn't it be silly to start a war with N.Korea just because they have nukes that can reach us? Wouldn't that put you and I at danger?

[Lizard]

Originally posted by mr. bond
Don't you find it inconsistent that bush is not already pushing for war on North Korea? Aren't they blatantly stating, "we have weapons of mass destruction!!! hey! look at us!"

personally, i'd rather see the whole thing settled through diplomacy and N. Korea disarmed that way, but i think the only reason Bush didn't go to war with North Korea instead of Iraq is because they are far more dangerous.

plus, they don't have tons of oil.

Well said. It certainly looks very bad for Bush if he claims that he only attacked Iraq because he SUSPECTED that they had weapons of mass destruction then refuses to do anything about a country that does have them.

[THAI_FIGHTER]

My Vote is:

Very bad!

[Tom Yum]

This is a war of politics, not necessity. Since we cannot find OBL, depend on oil from that region, and have been to war with that nation before it is a low hanging fruit target that the US can use as a symbolic strike against a region (not country) that harbors terrorism. Its purely strategic and is justified ethically by Saddam's inhumanity toward his own people.

We talk alot about North Korea, but its used to spread the risk of trying to single out any country and appear as an instigator. Would any US President put its own civillians at risk of a massive nuclear strike which N Korea is capable of?

Of course not. What are the chances of Iraq launching a destructive attack on American soil? Slim; they don't have the capability.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I think Bush lied.

Him very bad President.

Him don't understand that all anyone wants is a diplomatic solution where we can all just get along and live in peace.

Give Peace a Chance, W.!!!

[Toudiyama[NL]]

And now he is threathening Iran because they might have uranium, but no UN resolution has been issued against Iran
And Why do we allow Israel to have nukes anyway?
Seeing that no-one seems to have any control on that country either
Why weren't Pakistan and India invaded, both made nukes even though they signed the threaty (spelling)

Saw a docu about Kim Il young were it was stated that you couldn't make a deal with him because he is unthrustwothy
No what if you have an agreement with a democraticly chosen governement and the next govenement sez f***k you this will have invluence on our economics so we will not stick to the agreement, how can you make an agreement with a president if chances are his successor won't keep to it
Why would the turks have trusted G.W if his dad didn't pay up the previous time
when it comes to that Bush is just as unthrustworthy as Kim Il Young is
That's why the turks wanted re-assurance that they would be payed And the unthrustworthy republicans didn't want to give this re-assurance, why ? Maybe because they intended to do the same as last time and not payup?

It scares me that a person believing in a 6 day creation ( not the day were just 1 day) can fire the most powerfull arsenal in the world

And that the guys responsible for the LSD testing on Soldiers AND civilians are still in power ( Rumsfeld and Chainy)

Both these things scare me more than Iran having uranium or N Korea have nuclear capabilities

As for internal affairs, how much do you think the average joe will see from the taxcut is 400 people earn 95% of the anual income
So the rest which is 99.999985% of the US citizens gets only 5% of the anual income
Guess what these 400 people won't buy anything more so the taxcut doesn't have as much invluence on the economy as being claimed


Blah blah blah, I drag on

[Szczepankiewicz]

It's pretty clear by your post that you understand neither politics, warfare, or economics. But thanks for playing....