Most useless Martial Arts styles

[CKD]

Kung fu does not have all the techniques of submission wrestling there is not even groundfighting in kung fu!

[Dim Wit Moc]

No kung fu systems have groundfighting? I don't pretend to know everything about the 500-1000 or more different systems that fall under the kung fu umbrella, but I can name at least one that does. Kung Fu San Soo is at no disadvantage on the ground. I would have to assume that there are other systems that have it to. I admit that it is a great weakness, at least in the majority of well known systems.

[sherwinc]

As what i expected......

Kung fu does not have all the techniques of submission wrestling there is not even groundfighting in kung fu!

So you see? You dont know nothing about kungfu.....

There are plenty of wrestling found in kungfu but it is more and most deadly compare to the submission wrestling....

Tai Chi Chuan is the best candidate for your wrestling. You can't even break the code of every purpose of that every move of Tai Chi Chuan because its form is not broken like those of Kata(setpatterns) of karate which is broken or step by step. Best if it combined with Chin Na in Tai Chi Chuan.

There's still more kungfu (with a wrestling like moves) at about 400 KungFu styles/systems invented.

Note:
many kungfu setpatterns look like it is broken but still it is in a continuous/rapid executions and not like those of karate/tae kwon do broken moves.

and most of all that groundfighting... the best system of kungfu to example is the Monkey Styles/Systems. When fighting Monkey KungFu due to its groundfighting and its ability on hard to catch, hard to bridge the gap.... and unfamiliar techniques and attacks.

Another kungfu superior to its groundfighting is the Shaolin Drunken Boxing System/Style....

Another drunken boxing kungfu which is also known in its groundfighting is the the Eight Immortal Gods Drunking Boxing.

Well, another example for kungfu known for its groundfighting is the GoCho(NgoChoKun) Kneeling Stance and kicking maneuver groundfighting systems

[MuayThaiFighter]

All that you mention from Muay Thai up to Submission Wrestling is all EASY TO LEARN. Do you know that all of its techniques are found in KungFu? And all of the KungFu techniques are not found in these Muay Thai up to Submission Wrestling?

Yes, they have many fights as an evidence but - but that fight is in the ring with full of rules and fouls if done wrong and not acceptable to the referree.

Are you guys to believe in TO SEE IS TO BELIEVE?????? ( as an evidence? like those winning fights in the ring?)

then,

why do all Catholic religions believed in Jesus even though they did not see that God in their naked eye?
Answer:
It is because we know that He is God

then,

why is it that we insist that KungFu is the best of all martial arts categories?
Answer:
Practice it frequently and if you applied all you practice to your opponent and having him no time to plan an attack and beat him in 120 seconds then you too conclude that it is the best of all the best.

You know, you are not familiar to any of kungfu moves, even their opening bow you dont know its purpose, it is also used as an attack, and that is one of the billion examples cause, you dont know the every purpose of that every moves of the KungFu world.

Just like those stupid fox that after several times of jumping that grapes but still that fox cannot reach it, then he turn back and go leave and said "that grapes is sour"

why?

cause you did not find the correct kungfu instructor and what you did is judging the book thru its cover. You see a very clean cover of that book but you dont know how dirty is - inside.

and correction,

from Muay thai to submission wrestling they are for - self luck fights ( win or lose )

while,

Chinese KungFu are for self offence and not a self defence type.

Not everything in Submission Wrestling is easy to learn even then that doesn't make it uneffective, sometimes the simplest moves are the most effective.

You're right the fights are in the ring and do have rules and fouls but I never said sparring was a real fight however fighting in a ring is the closest you will get to the real thing. Some things do take evidence to show that it works and is effective.

Comparing martial arts to religion is lame bud and makes no sense. You are actually wrong with that religious statement, no one knows for sure about God or Jesus regardless of religion it is a matter of what we choose to believe in and how we may have been brought up, where as martial arts should be based on proof but unfortunately most Asian traditional arts don't go by proof since they are too busy following tradition.

Muay Thai bases its art on proof of effectiveness.

All styles can claim that if you practice their techniques enough times you will get good and be an effective fighter, however it is one thing to say it and another to prove it. Muay Thai fighters have proven it several times against all stand up styles and Pankration against both stand up and grappling.

I am very familiar with the bows in Kung Fu, because they are no different then those of karate. In fact most of the art is very similar yet different. The main difference is its origin, Karate coming from Japan and Kung Fu from China.

You kung fu guys learn stances just like those in karate except your stances are lower and often moves are more flowing.

Self luck fights!!!!!!!!!!!! ya whatever.

Well Pankration which is what I actually do is based on both self-defence and offence unlike your Chinese Kung Fu. It makes no sense to learn one without the other since both are equally important. Pankration is mostly street-defense so in other words based on reality fighting.

I guess Kung Fu isn't that great after all is it ? Of course not.

I am open to other styles but only if they make sense and really are effective so I would never study an art like Kung Fu.

[Dim Wit Moc]

Rules in the ring can be made to favor any system. If you have no take downs or grappling in the rules, the BJJ guys are hurting. If you have no use of knees, or kicking below the waste, the Muay Thai guys weep and theTKD crew is very happy. Do you think a monkey kung fu guy would be able to bring his staff into the ring? Do you think a tiger claw fellow would be able to rip out a throat or rip a groin? I am not against rules as they make for a good road map for society to stay sane. In the jungle, there is no cheating. The two rules are (1)there are no rules and (2)winner take all. Grapefruit juice or pepper in the eyes while the down and dirty fighter causes havoc are all OK. This is why kung fu can be a very effective fighting art. Let the BJJ guy stay at a distance so he can wait his opportunity to rush in, start with a double leg tackle, mount you, and finish you with a wing choke. You can let him stand at a distance all he wants to waiting his opportunity with the blade of a ballistic knife stuck in or near his heart. If a person really wants to be a complete fighter he must cope with the guys buddy that he is choking who is sticking a 10 inch bowie in the choker's ribs. This is all reality in the jungle. Kung fu fighters in a lawless Chinese environment had to cope with all these realities. Many had a nasty bag of tricks. This is the down and dirty aspect of kung fu. Real kung fu is indeed effective if the practitioner knows his stuff. Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto were well aware of some of the pitfalls of traditionalism. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the answer. The answer is identiying problems and dealing with them. The jiu jitsu guys have pointed out in a very painful way that many kung fu styles need to recognize that grappling is not a passing fancy that is going to go out of fashion. It has to be coped with just as the possibility of multiple attackers.

To say that kung fu sucks is not only classless, but it is inaccurate. There are too many styles and too many variables to paint the Chinese arts with such a broad brush.

[sherwinc]

my comment again..... ;-)

Not everything in Submission Wrestling is easy to learn even then that doesn't make it uneffective, sometimes the simplest moves are the most effective.

You're right the fights are in the ring and do have rules and fouls but I never said sparring was a real fight however fighting in a ring is the closest you will get to the real thing. Some things do take evidence to show that it works and is effective.

Comparing martial arts to religion is lame bud and makes no sense. You are actually wrong with that religious statement, no one knows for sure about God or Jesus regardless of religion it is a matter of what we choose to believe in and how we may have been brought up, where as martial arts should be based on proof but unfortunately most Asian traditional arts don't go by proof since they are too busy following tradition.

Muay Thai bases its art on proof of effectiveness.

All styles can claim that if you practice their techniques enough times you will get good and be an effective fighter, however it is one thing to say it and another to prove it. Muay Thai fighters have proven it several times against all stand up styles and Pankration against both stand up and grappling.

I am very familiar with the bows in Kung Fu, because they are no different then those of karate. In fact most of the art is very similar yet different. The main difference is its origin, Karate coming from Japan and Kung Fu from China.

You kung fu guys learn stances just like those in karate except your stances are lower and often moves are more flowing.

Self luck fights!!!!!!!!!!!! ya whatever.

Well Pankration which is what I actually do is based on both self-defence and offence unlike your Chinese Kung Fu. It makes no sense to learn one without the other since both are equally important. Pankration is mostly street-defense so in other words based on reality fighting.

I guess Kung Fu isn't that great after all is it ? Of course not.

I am open to other styles but only if they make sense and really are effective so I would never study an art like Kung Fu.

My comment in Ring Fights is most closest to Real Fights? and as the most evidence?

here,

but what about us? we KungFu cannot make our moves in the ring fights, because of frequent fouls and 1 disqualifications.

it is not good enough to fight with your rules, what, do we do is only jab? cross or roundhouse punch? roundhouse kick? outside block w forearm? or pushkick or roundkick of muay thai? wow, it could bring us in great jeopardy. You know - that type of attacks is very easy to counter for a very best reason....

do you know that "YOU CAN APPLY YOUR TECHNIQUE ONLY ONCE"

so, the second time that you attack me using your Ax Kick or Push Kick or same attack, wow it is our favorite to close the gap distance and its our move unfamiliarly to you.....

Here is a good formula for you to know clearly and clearly:
MuhammedAli=A vs MuhammedAli=B

MuhammedAli=A knows Boxing (master of 6 hand attacks)

MuhammedAli=B knows WingChun KungFu, TaiChiChuan KungFu, Arhats/Lohan KungFu (master of near-to-infinite hand attacks)

Note:
SINCE YOU CAN APPLY YOUR TECHNIQUE ONLY ONCE

They fight with no rules, then the winner is MuhammedAli=B because he has plenty of options that he mastered and MuhammedAli=A cannot intercept its aims and purpose of each individual unique attacks of MuhammedAli=B.


Or.... how about this, if the fight is in inside the ring:


MuhammedAli=A vs MuhammedAli=B

MuhammedAli=A knows Boxing (master of 6 hand attacks)

MuhammedAli=B knows WingChun KungFu, TaiChiChuan KungFu, Arhats/Lohan KungFu (master of near-to-infinite hand attacks)

Note:
SINCE IN THE RING HAS PLENTY OF RULES AND FOULS

They fight with rules, then the winner is MuhammedAli=A because all of his attacks are qualified to the rules and regulations of the ring and while MuhammedAli=B is only like a punching bag cause its specialty attacks and most of its unique attacks cannot be apply into the ring cause another foul the referree may shout.

[choylifutrocks]

I am open to other styles but only if they make sense and really are effective so I would never study an art like Kung Fu.

That's too bad. If you're not willing to learn any Kung Fu then those San Shou guys are going to continue to walk all over Muay Thai. I'm not knocking MT, it is great. MT is in the 99 percentile of all standup fighting. However, there are equals. I'm sorry to tell you MT Fighter, but Rafael Matute (a 7X undefeated World MT champ) was so successful because of his Pachi Tanglang Kung Fu. Look up "Rafael Matute" in google, etc. I'll agree with you that Kung Fu is crap, if it is looked at in this way: If you took the sum of all the good styles of Kung Fu and put it on a scale with all the Bad styles of Kung Fu, the bad would far outweigh the good, and bring it to SHITTY level. However, there are good styles of Kung Fu; styles that aren't flowery, mystical, or powerless such as PachiTanglang, San Shou, and Choy Li Fut. Tai Chi even has good CONCEPTS. Push hands can be invaluable. Kung Fu, however, is over 400 different styles, and there are Kung Fu styles that are incredible.

MT Fighter, you are an ignorant prick Keep writing your stupid posts, it gives me something to look forward to each time I sign on to the forum. I thank you for that.

[MuayThaiFighter]

My comment in Ring Fights is most closest to Real Fights? and as the most evidence?

here,

but what about us? we KungFu cannot make our moves in the ring fights, because of frequent fouls and 1 disqualifications.

it is not good enough to fight with your rules, what, do we do is only jab? cross or roundhouse punch? roundhouse kick? outside block w forearm? or pushkick or roundkick of muay thai? wow, it could bring us in great jeopardy. You know - that type of attacks is very easy to counter for a very best reason....

do you know that "YOU CAN APPLY YOUR TECHNIQUE ONLY ONCE"

so, the second time that you attack me using your Ax Kick or Push Kick or same attack, wow it is our favorite to close the gap distance and its our move unfamiliarly to you.....

Here is a good formula for you to know clearly and clearly:
MuhammedAli=A vs MuhammedAli=B

MuhammedAli=A knows Boxing (master of 6 hand attacks)

MuhammedAli=B knows WingChun KungFu, TaiChiChuan KungFu, Arhats/Lohan KungFu (master of near-to-infinite hand attacks)

Note:
SINCE YOU CAN APPLY YOUR TECHNIQUE ONLY ONCE

They fight with no rules, then the winner is MuhammedAli=B because he has plenty of options that he mastered and MuhammedAli=A cannot intercept its aims and purpose of each individual unique attacks of MuhammedAli=B.


Or.... how about this, if the fight is in inside the ring:


MuhammedAli=A vs MuhammedAli=B

MuhammedAli=A knows Boxing (master of 6 hand attacks)

MuhammedAli=B knows WingChun KungFu, TaiChiChuan KungFu, Arhats/Lohan KungFu (master of near-to-infinite hand attacks)

Note:
SINCE IN THE RING HAS PLENTY OF RULES AND FOULS

They fight with rules, then the winner is MuhammedAli=A because all of his attacks are qualified to the rules and regulations of the ring and while MuhammedAli=B is only like a punching bag cause its specialty attacks and most of its unique attacks cannot be apply into the ring cause another foul the referree may shout.

Our attacks are easy to counter!!!!!!!!!! I take it you have no experience in fighting against a Muay Thai fighter because if you did you would know that is B.S.

Are you telling me that someone who knows WingChun KungFu, TaiChiChuan KungFu, Arhats/Lohan KungFu is going to beat someone that just knows boxing? If you are then I have to laugh. First of all those are not fighting arts and are very unrealistic so it doesn't matter how many of them you do and put together whereas boxing is realistic and would thrash someone who knows all of the kung fu stylese you mentioned. Sorry to say but those push hand blocks of Tai Chi will do shit in a real fight.

Next again you are incorrect in you saying we can only apply our technique once. There are several solutions for each technique. Kung Fu has many different solutions to using each of their techniques too but the difference is those techniques of KungFu still won't work on the street whereas ours will.

"so, the second time that you attack me using your Ax Kick or Push Kick or same attack, wow it is our favorite to close the gap distance and its our move unfamiliarly to you....."

Not as easy as you may think.

[MuayThaiFighter]

That's too bad. If you're not willing to learn any Kung Fu then those San Shou guys are going to continue to walk all over Muay Thai. I'm not knocking MT, it is great. MT is in the 99 percentile of all standup fighting. However, there are equals. I'm sorry to tell you MT Fighter, but Rafael Matute (a 7X undefeated World MT champ) was so successful because of his Pachi Tanglang Kung Fu. Look up "Rafael Matute" in google, etc. I'll agree with you that Kung Fu is crap, if it is looked at in this way: If you took the sum of all the good styles of Kung Fu and put it on a scale with all the Bad styles of Kung Fu, the bad would far outweigh the good, and bring it to SHITTY level. However, there are good styles of Kung Fu; styles that aren't flowery, mystical, or powerless such as PachiTanglang, San Shou, and Choy Li Fut. Tai Chi even has good CONCEPTS. Push hands can be invaluable. Kung Fu, however, is over 400 different styles, and there are Kung Fu styles that are incredible.

MT Fighter, you are an ignorant prick Keep writing your stupid posts, it gives me something to look forward to each time I sign on to the forum. I thank you for that.

I have read a website of Rafael Matute that claims he is unbeatable because of his efficiency in Pachi Tanglang Kung Fu just as you stated however I don't believe it because anyone can claim anything.All instructors want students coming to their school. I don't believe everything I read on net. It claims there is no one equal to him yet I bet he hasn't fought Thai fighers in Thailand only the ones in America or where ever he is from. My instructor could kick his ass but I have seen my instructor fight in UFC and he has proven how good his skills are and knocked his opponent out cold. My instructor has championship belts in Muay Thai, Shooto Fighting, Submission Wrestling and belts in Pankration and he didn't need any of those shitty Kung Fu styles.

Tai chi does have push hands but are they effective? Of course not. No push hand technique is going to work on someone coming full force with continuous punches,kicks,knees,elbows etc. I would bet my money on a person in Muay Thai, Boxing, Jujitsu, Judo, Pankration, Shooto fighting and Savate before I would on Kung Fu for winning in a sparring match or fight, because I know if I bet it on the Kung Fu guy there is a 99% chance I'd be losing money.

Call me any names you want I don't care. I smell jealousy in the air coming from you. too

[huey]

man is this crap gettin old or what?

muay thai is good. bjj or gjj is good. judo is ... and so on and so on.
for each style or system has something that is useful but trying to say that your martial art is the best out there is ridiculous. you have too many closed minded people out there and in here to even hope to change their minds, mtf is one of those people.
muay thai is the standard in the ring that most people or styles use because that is what the rules seem to dictate. karate guys kick to the back of the legs because that is one of the targets allowed. if the groin was a target allowed i am sure that the kicks would be placed differently.
there are no groin shots, eye gouging, knee strikes (as in breaking), etc. which may hold styles back from what they train in.
if it were a street fight, muay thai may be an effective art, but it may not. no one can dictate a street fight, it comes with too many variables.
to say that muay thai is more effective than another art also has too many variables to be considered a sane argument unless you are strictly talking about the ring. if all you did was work on ring strategy then you will be pretty good at ring strategy, this is not to say yu won't be good at the street aspect but you will be geared toward the ring.
if a guy wants to train for the ring, and gets into the ring with someone who hasn't deviated from his normal training of other techniques like those above he will of course be disqualified giving the win to the one who has trained for the ring.
while in the street i don't care how much you train if you get caught with a chop in the throat (like taught in tai chi, which mtf thinks is useless) you are going to feel it. or getting tossed around in the clinch you suddenly feel a severe pain where your right eye has been pushed back into your head with a digit from your opponents hand you really can't prepare for that feeling nor the outcome of the following 2 seconds, when he drives your head backward and drives his knee into your nuts, and turns your head completely around in an attempt to reproduce linda blairs character in the excorcist.
and tournaments being the way to represent? my nephews went to las vegas last year and became world champions (all three of them, brothers) without any official art to back them up. the school (garage) of which they
get together and train has an instructor in shotokan living there. they get together and spar twice a week. all they do is go to tournaments and win because they know what the judges are looking for. they don't learn katas,techniques, or anything other than sparring so i don't put a lot of stock into the outcomes of tournaments in determining which style is best.
a tiger paw and a cobra strike to the head will end a real fight, real quick
and it wouldn't matter what you knew, you get close to someone that knows a tiger style in the street you'll get caught and no ref will count you out.
to simply say that muay thai is the end all of martial arts is lame just as it would for anyone else to say it, it just so happens to be said by more mt practitioners these days.

nuff said next thread!!!

[CKD]

Sherwinc you complain that rules hamper kung fu. Well if you can not hit a dude with a 16 oz. how do expect to eye gouge them? and stop saying I know nothing about kung fu because I have trained under a Shaolin Monk. Monkey kung fus has no ground fighting just a lot of rolling techniques and the other art you mentioned that you said had groundfighting is just punching on your knees and stuff similar. You sound like you do not know anything about kung fu because you talk about using a lot of techniques while there is a important story in kung fu about a person practicing one technique for several years and beat all others that knew many. You say we will be unfimilar with the kung fu attacks and not be able to block it. Well if the attacks aimed at my face I can use a double forearm block wether it a cross, palm, eye gouge, or a kung fu technique. The most effective kung fu style is sanshou and it has no kung fu in it it is a combination of muay thai, judo, and wrestling. You do not know what you are talking about and I have been in both kung fu and in mma and other full contact arts. So far the only traditional art I have found effective is bando and muay boran. Peace.

[sherwinc]

just as what i expected....

Sherwinc you complain that rules hamper kung fu. Well if you can not hit a dude with a 16 oz. how do expect to eye gouge them? and stop saying I know nothing about kung fu because I have trained under a Shaolin Monk. Monkey kung fus has no ground fighting just a lot of rolling techniques and the other art you mentioned that you said had groundfighting is just punching on your knees and stuff similar. You sound like you do not know anything about kung fu because you talk about using a lot of techniques while there is a important story in kung fu about a person practicing one technique for several years and beat all others that knew many. You say we will be unfimilar with the kung fu attacks and not be able to block it. Well if the attacks aimed at my face I can use a double forearm block wether it a cross, palm, eye gouge, or a kung fu technique. The most effective kung fu style is sanshou and it has no kung fu in it it is a combination of muay thai, judo, and wrestling. You do not know what you are talking about and I have been in both kung fu and in mma and other full contact arts. So far the only traditional art I have found effective is bando and muay boran. Peace.

KungFu is a very deep to learn, what you see is not, but if you only continue to practice it you'll discover that it is not only apply to that portion, still many application to manuever if you know how to manipulate each stroke. That is the reason why you could not complete to master even a single style for the entire of your life.

for example, in the SNAKE KUNGFU STYLE OR SYSTEMS: at least three lives of your to master that form. That kungfu has 0% training but only 100% is purely technique, unlike those in SOUTHERN EAGLE CLAW which is 70% claw training and the remaining 30% is technique.

you know? you did not find the right kungfu martial art.

why?

because if you did learn the true kungfu then it is very early for you to quit those non-kungfu martial arts.

Monkey KungFu is popular for its groundfighting and hard to reach to after him cause one of the monkey kungfu expertise is to have a distance gap when fighting and unfamiliar techniques. My instructor knows 50% of that art and we sparr using his monkey kungfu and the kungfu that i use is the combination of TaiChiChuan and ChiDianBun but still i cant reach to his distance. Sometimes it is really hard to sparr the opponent on which he always in groundfight, then suddenly from groundfight change to flightfight, so you see..... combination of groundfight to flight fighting with no stillness and lesser horse stancing.

actually KokSutKun is our term here and not KungFu.

Have you seen Monkey Kungfu doing groundfight to flightfight using his kiam(Sword)?

I know also how to use the Tai Chiae Kun Hik Kiam Sut (Tai Chi Chuan Hik Style/System Jian[sword] martial art) only the first form. I did not continue to learn the second form of it cause i cant do the groundfight of it combining with flight swords.

Note:
even though it is in the combination of Chi Dian Bun KungFu and Hik Style/System of Tai Chi Chuan - it almost contains 50% of groundfighting as you play your sword....

You Muay Thai, Submission Wresting, Kick boxing - do you have any sword, spear, etc form? You know, weapons are only an extension of your hands in kungfu, whatever the way of movements on how you use your weapons is also the way your hands do in your kungfu?

You said, that monk teach you shaolin kungfu? now i see, that shaolin kungfu has no groundfighting. And i guess that what you only learn from that monk is only forms of kungfu. i dont care if how many forms did you learn but the most important is that you'll learn how to use it each of the alphabets of that form and master it and expertly use it in combat. but be sure that all of your moves have power.

[sherwinc]

for you to know....

man is this crap gettin old or what?

muay thai is good. bjj or gjj is good. judo is ... and so on and so on.
for each style or system has something that is useful but trying to say that your martial art is the best out there is ridiculous. you have too many closed minded people out there and in here to even hope to change their minds, mtf is one of those people.
muay thai is the standard in the ring that most people or styles use because that is what the rules seem to dictate. karate guys kick to the back of the legs because that is one of the targets allowed. if the groin was a target allowed i am sure that the kicks would be placed differently.
there are no groin shots, eye gouging, knee strikes (as in breaking), etc. which may hold styles back from what they train in.
if it were a street fight, muay thai may be an effective art, but it may not. no one can dictate a street fight, it comes with too many variables.
to say that muay thai is more effective than another art also has too many variables to be considered a sane argument unless you are strictly talking about the ring. if all you did was work on ring strategy then you will be pretty good at ring strategy, this is not to say yu won't be good at the street aspect but you will be geared toward the ring.
if a guy wants to train for the ring, and gets into the ring with someone who hasn't deviated from his normal training of other techniques like those above he will of course be disqualified giving the win to the one who has trained for the ring.
while in the street i don't care how much you train if you get caught with a chop in the throat (like taught in tai chi, which mtf thinks is useless) you are going to feel it. or getting tossed around in the clinch you suddenly feel a severe pain where your right eye has been pushed back into your head with a digit from your opponents hand you really can't prepare for that feeling nor the outcome of the following 2 seconds, when he drives your head backward and drives his knee into your nuts, and turns your head completely around in an attempt to reproduce linda blairs character in the excorcist.
and tournaments being the way to represent? my nephews went to las vegas last year and became world champions (all three of them, brothers) without any official art to back them up. the school (garage) of which they
get together and train has an instructor in shotokan living there. they get together and spar twice a week. all they do is go to tournaments and win because they know what the judges are looking for. they don't learn katas,techniques, or anything other than sparring so i don't put a lot of stock into the outcomes of tournaments in determining which style is best.
a tiger paw and a cobra strike to the head will end a real fight, real quick
and it wouldn't matter what you knew, you get close to someone that knows a tiger style in the street you'll get caught and no ref will count you out.
to simply say that muay thai is the end all of martial arts is lame just as it would for anyone else to say it, it just so happens to be said by more mt practitioners these days.

nuff said next thread!!!

The Hand Alphabets of Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc:
1. Cross
2. Uppercut
3. Jab
4. Hook
5. RoundHouse
6. Straight
7. Are there any more hand alphabets??????????

i know all that alphabets of yours and i am prepared if you use that 6 alphabets to my KungFu.....

Now,

do you know what kungfu will i use to your Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc?

I'll show you an opening of Tan Tui (spring leg style kungfu) but to your surprise i'll attack you using my ChiDianBun combined with Angka and TaiChi. And i master all my hand alphabets to where i reach in practice.

the main problem is......

you don't even know each kungfu systems disadvantages and advantages. i know the disadvantages of Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc. That is what i mean.

for example,
you know yourself but you dont know your opponent

the good is...

i know all of you "my opponent" as well as i truely know myself.

the worst is...

i dont know the style/system of my opponent and i also dont know any fighting arts

[sherwinc]

correction......

LoL But there's a japanese police department that uses Aikido, so it MUST be a good martial art !!

Japanese Police Department use Aikido because they have to dis-armed criminals using that Aikido.

WingChun is a Striking Art and it is considered as a Self-Offence not a Self-Defence type. That is the reason why aikido is the most useless of them all. You dont need WingChun's Self-offence to arrest criminals if handtohand.

and.....

that is the reason why Japanese Police use Aikido.

[MuayThaiFighter]

The Hand Alphabets of Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc:
1. Cross
2. Uppercut
3. Jab
4. Hook
5. RoundHouse
6. Straight
7. Are there any more hand alphabets??????????

i know all that alphabets of yours and i am prepared if you use that 6 alphabets to my KungFu.....

Now,

do you know what kungfu will i use to your Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc?

I'll show you an opening of Tan Tui (spring leg style kungfu) but to your surprise i'll attack you using my ChiDianBun combined with Angka and TaiChi. And i master all my hand alphabets to where i reach in practice.

the main problem is......

you don't even know each kungfu systems disadvantages and advantages. i know the disadvantages of Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Boxing, etc. That is what i mean.

for example,
you know yourself but you dont know your opponent

the good is...

i know all of you "my opponent" as well as i truely know myself.

the worst is...

i dont know the style/system of my opponent and i also dont know any fighting arts

You obviously don't know as much as you claim about Muay Thai.

We do all the techniques you mentioned plus more. You forgot to mention the clinching,knees,shin kicks,foot sweeps,lead and back leg kicks,side kicks and elbows.Muay Thai fighters don't use just hands, we also use our legs.

I really doubt you know of any disadvantages of Muay Thai since you don't even know all the techniques of Muay Thai. Besides the only disadvantage Muay Thai on its own has is that it has no grappling on ground and the rules of some tournaments and doesn't teach weapons defense.Now if you do Pankration which is Muay Thai with grappling then there is very few disadvantages if any which I can't say for styles like kung fu.

Besides the stances and punches of kung fu would never work on the street. Fancy looking moves mean shit on the street. In a real situation there is no time for fancy moves to look cool and good so with those techniques of Kung Fu you'd lose.In a real fight it is about taking your opponnent out as quickly and effectively as possible which Muay Thai specifically concentrates on. If I used Pankration I would have an even higher chance of winning against you in Kung Fu. I would take you out so quickly you wouldn't even have a chance,and chances are you wouldn't even know what hit you.

You honestly think your sanchin, shicko dachi(horse stance), zenkutsi dachi(forward stance) and niko achi dachi(cat stance) stances will work in a real fight? If you do you are living in a dream world and I feel sorry for you if you ever get in a fight and get your ass kicked. Do you think your punches from waist will work ? If you do then you obviously don't know anything about a fight.I have been in several real fights that I'm not proud of because now that I am older I realize how stupid fighting is, besides I don't want to go to jail.

Stuff like gedan barai would not work in a real fight. I am obviously using karate terms, because I don't know what they are called in Kung Fu but I do know Kung Fu and Karate are similar in that they both teach useless stances and katas.Also knife hand strikes are useless. I wouldn't say all but most open hand strikes are useless including your tiger claw strikes.