Most useless Martial Arts styles

[jmd161]

But how about you challenge the Gracies like I said, the matches are behind closed doors, and you can request no rules, just like you want it.

To be honest ,i doubt many members on this forum would stand a chance against one of the Gracies. Because many members here don't train to fight someone of that level of skill. Even the members here that fight MMA or Bjj grappling ,do not fight ppl with that level of experience or skill.

The average karate,kung fu,muay thai,MMA person etc... just is not trained or prepared for a match of that type.

jeff

[CKD]

Be quiet! Sherwinc is a kung fu expert, and sherwinc says even beginner in kung fu can take on most advance levels of other art. So go show us Sherwinc.

[sherwinc]

Be quiet! Sherwinc is a kung fu expert, and sherwinc says even beginner in kung fu can take on most advance levels of other art. So go show us Sherwinc.

You are extremely Wrong!!!! it takes at least 2years (fast learner) or 5 years (slow learner) for a student to become good in kungfu,

Note:

in just 6 months, a student can learn your non-kungfu art, while a kungfu can finish learning his art in 2 or 4 years, but to master your kungfu it will take time learning at around 300years..... and even 100 years you cannot reach it.....

even me, i am still learning as of now, i am not satisfy what i learn on my kungfu, there is still a lot to learn...... understand???????

I am into Sharing of Knowledge Learned, not for a Commercial Fights, and i dont want real fights.....

maybe call me "Coward" cause i am very happy to accept it.......

Note:
A cat usually runs away from a fight if a crazy dog chases that cat, but if the cat cornered and no time to run away - the cat finally no choice but to fight that crazy dog with its paws......

that cat normally cant beat the crazy dog but even snake - the cat will win and kill that snake (that the dog cant beat that stupid snake)

convinced???????

[Toudiyama[NL]]

You are extremely Wrong!!!! it takes at least 2years (fast learner) or 5 years (slow learner) for a student to become good in kungfu,

Note:

in just 6 months, a student can learn your non-kungfu art, while a kungfu can finish learning his art in 2 or 4 years, but to master your kungfu it will take time learning at around 300years..... and even 100 years you cannot reach it.....

that doesn't make him extremely wrong, only partially wrong, so you are not an expert but still claim that you can defeat non kun fu experts

You still make the same mistake over and over, Knowledge alone my friend, doesn't make a good fighter

Let me ask you one thing, who do you think will be better at performing his techniques effectively, someone who performs them 1000 times are someone who performs them 1.000.000 times?
Now who do you think will be more inclined to perform a certain technique 1.000.000 times, someone with an arsenal of thousands of applications or someone with only around 10 techniques?

Here comes a metaphore again:
If the rainy season is comming and you need a roof over your head, are you going to waste your time building a palace?
It's nice to have extras but if the extrastake to long it will be useless in the end
In the end your palace won't be more than foundations with some plumbing and the other guy has a house with a roof, it's no more than 4 walls and a roof but it's dry
If on top of all the palacebuilder only spend time drawing palaces and the simple house builder one in a whille build a brick wall or a gazeibo ( sp?) the odd are even more against the palacebuilder don't you think?

[Tom Yum]

Here comes a metaphore again:
If the rainy season is comming and you need a roof over your head, are you going to waste your time building a palace?
It's nice to have extras but if the extrastake to long it will be useless in the end
In the end your palace won't be more than foundations with some plumbing and the other guy has a house with a roof, it's no more than 4 walls and a roof but it's dry
If on top of all the palacebuilder only spend time drawing palaces and the simple house builder one in a whille build a brick wall or a gazeibo ( sp?) the odd are even more against the palacebuilder don't you think?

Here comes that reasonable Dutch logic again....reasonability tied in with some kind of architecture (bridge, house....cardboard box...jj).

Keep it coming man. Maybe we can learn something.

[Thai Bri]

Well, why not live in the house whilst the palace is being built?

Convinced?

[sherwinc]

that doesn't make him extremely wrong, only partially wrong, so you are not an expert but still claim that you can defeat non kun fu experts

You still make the same mistake over and over, Knowledge alone my friend, doesn't make a good fighter

Let me ask you one thing, who do you think will be better at performing his techniques effectively, someone who performs them 1000 times are someone who performs them 1.000.000 times?
Now who do you think will be more inclined to perform a certain technique 1.000.000 times, someone with an arsenal of thousands of applications or someone with only around 10 techniques?

either of the two options is correct, it so happened that we learned plenty of techniques, and all of the techniques are all usefull on its applications on its unique purposes.....

and besides, my instructor doesnt allow to teach us NEXT TECHNIQUE unless you mastered your PREVIOUS TECHNIQUE and YOU FREQUENTLY USED THAT TECHNIQUE IN A SPARRING WITH EASE..... then thats the time that my instructor teach us again next technique......

to tell you frankly, i wasted more than 2months to finish the 1st set of Hik Tai Chi Sword Form, for 3hours spend everyday to correct its execution, movement, rhythm, applications..... and i dont want to learn its 2nd set of sword cause i cant resist the hardness of a perfect execution of each movement before proceeding next movement.......

same also in hand and feet attacks, to mastered it step-by-step, gruadually, not only in our private kungfu club but in home and any places that is available (when theres no people behined)

if you perform your kungfu movement, especially the setpatterns(Kun) if my instructor notice even very slight error on your movement, positions, etc.... you will have to repeat again, very exhausted...... my instructor doesnt want to teach you next technique unless you cant perfect your previous technique..... or it will only lead to deterioration of the ART.....

not to mention those Horse Riding Stance for the legs, and training for the wrists rather than fist in a push-up position, we have no time for such Calisthenics cause its a waste of time rushing..... but stretching we have cause it is one of the important thing to emphasize even thou short distance....

hope you get my point....

Here comes a metaphore again:
If the rainy season is comming and you need a roof over your head, are you going to waste your time building a palace?
It's nice to have extras but if the extrastake to long it will be useless in the end
In the end your palace won't be more than foundations with some plumbing and the other guy has a house with a roof, it's no more than 4 walls and a roof but it's dry
If on top of all the palacebuilder only spend time drawing palaces and the simple house builder one in a whille build a brick wall or a gazeibo ( sp?) the odd are even more against the palacebuilder don't you think?

OK, I'LL ANSWER YOUR SECOND METAPHOR:

i'll rather choose RoofTop first before the heavy rain comes..... gradually, after several days/months/years after finishing the Roof to fight for the heavy rain, i should do make Palace and extend it and extend it again...... since i already finish my PREVIOUS TECHNIQUE (RoofTop) then i will proceed to NEXT TECHNIQUE (Palace)

Practice makes Perfection

[Toudiyama[NL]]

either of the two options is correct, it so happened that we learned plenty of techniques, and all of the techniques are all usefull on its applications on its unique purposes.....

thats Bull, 1.000.000 is alway better that 1.000 times ( that were the 2 choises)
Also someone only doing a few technique will be more inclined to train them 1.000.000 than someone with a lot of them ( these were the 2 choises of this question)
you combined the questions into one

and besides, my instructor doesnt allow to teach us NEXT TECHNIQUE unless you mastered your PREVIOUS TECHNIQUE and YOU FREQUENTLY USED THAT TECHNIQUE IN A SPARRING WITH EASE..... then thats the time that my instructor teach us again next technique......

to tell you frankly, i wasted more than 2months to finish the 1st set of Hik Tai Chi Sword Form, for 3hours spend everyday to correct its execution, movement, rhythm, applications..... and i dont want to learn its 2nd set of sword cause i cant resist the hardness of a perfect execution of each movement before proceeding next movement.......

same also in hand and feet attacks, to mastered it step-by-step, gruadually, not only in our private kungfu club but in home and any places that is available (when theres no people behined)

if you perform your kungfu movement, especially the setpatterns(Kun) if my instructor notice even very slight error on your movement, positions, etc.... you will have to repeat again, very exhausted...... my instructor doesnt want to teach you next technique unless you cant perfect your previous technique..... or it will only lead to deterioration of the ART.....

not to mention those Horse Riding Stance for the legs, and training for the wrists rather than fist in a push-up position, we have no time for such Calisthenics cause its a waste of time rushing..... but stretching we have cause it is one of the important thing to emphasize even thou short distance....

hope you get my point....

Watch out what you say, don't use words like wasted my time, they will draw flames like a can of petrolium

OK, I'LL ANSWER YOUR SECOND METAPHOR:

i'll rather choose RoofTop first before the heavy rain comes..... gradually, after several days/months/years after finishing the Roof to fight for the heavy rain, i should do make Palace and extend it and extend it again...... since i already finish my PREVIOUS TECHNIQUE (RoofTop) then i will proceed to NEXT TECHNIQUE (Palace)

Practice makes Perfection

It was one methaphore

and to switch back to MA, if you spend a lot of time learning fancy stuff, it might get you killed
the way you change the metaphore you should first do some MT or MMA before you enter a "proper" KF school

Practice makes perfection and testing gives assurance

[sherwinc]

( these were the 2 choises of this question)
you combined the questions into one

in a PaKua, it is no longer called Yin and Yang, but, it is truely called Yin Yang

just like in NgoChoKun, it is not classified as a Hard and Soft KungFu, but, it is truely described NgoChoKun as a HardSoft KungFu (not a Hard & Soft but a HardSoft)

Watch out what you say, don't use words like wasted my time, they will draw flames like a can of petrolium

as i always say, master your present technique before you proceed to its next technique......

we should not stop learning, from birth up to death, that is the duty of our brain gave by God..... More Knowledge is better than Few Knowledge, maybe that's the reason why School and Colleges exists....

Note:
what would happen if there is no existence of School and Colleges to expand IQ(knowledge)????? maybe the result is FEW IS BETTER THAN MANY

It was one methaphore

and to switch back to MA, if you spend a lot of time learning fancy stuff, it might get you killed
the way you change the metaphore you should first do some MT or MMA before you enter a "proper" KF school

Practice makes perfection and testing gives assurance

The only fancy staff that i know in kungfu is "WuShu"

but i dont criticize WuShu when it comes to sword, spear, saber, tri-sectional staff, etc.... cause WuShu weaponry is a very very hard to counter and awesome and a very beautiful art.....

i said this before:
The more the beautiful she is, the more she is deadly......

[Toudiyama[NL]]

IQ is not the same as knowledge, it's an index on how easy one can learn

IQ as a sheer number is useless because I did 2 different test the last half year one scored 154 the other 129 but the latter indicated 129 as a precicion professor

so learning doesn't invluence your IQ, it's the other way around

As for the schools and colleges, if you learn a vocation, they won't teach you a lot more t5han is neaded to do your job
For instance they didn't teach me about quarks aand the quantum theory to make me an electronics engineer
Not more knowledge but a better understanding of the knowledge needed

you cannot do more at the same intensity in the same time
If your style has 1000 techniques and you can do 1000 techniques in an hour
I an hour of training you cold do every technique once
Now in that same hour a stylist whose style has only 10 techniques can train every technique 100 times
now this is what is meant by quality over quantity

Now for your old argument that 1000 is better than 10 to be true you need to have 100X the training time of the person with 10 technique but they trainsomewhere ranging from 10 to 30 hours a week, ....I'm afraid there isn't enough time in a week for your theory to become reality

[sherwinc]

you cannot do more at the same intensity in the same time
If your style has 1000 techniques and you can do 1000 techniques in an hour
I an hour of training you cold do every technique once
Now in that same hour a stylist whose style has only 10 techniques can train every technique 100 times
now this is what is meant by quality over quantity

Now for your old argument that 1000 is better than 10 to be true you need to have 100X the training time of the person with 10 technique but they trainsomewhere ranging from 10 to 30 hours a week, ....I'm afraid there isn't enough time in a week for your theory to become reality

Correct, extremely correct!!!!!

but during those years that i start practicing KungFu, i am so very lazy at home, i never did any household chores, what i only did is practicing kungfu thru my whole life, i have no job those years and i already finished colleges..... so i have the time to spent my time learning kungfu, even when dinner, breakfast, taking a bath, walking, no time for drinking alcohol, = the thing that comes to my mind is only kungfu, if i finish practicing, i sometimes do landscape oil painting and computer games sometimes.....

now, if i lock my whole day time to kungfu - its no imposible that i can memorize it all......

remember the Shaolin KungFu Practitioners????
they only spend their everyday whole day/night time to practicing KungFu and religion..... so they are expert to more on advanced moves as well as they have their awesome foundations on thier movement..... no time for SaturdayNights / FridaySickness, no time for luxury..... even when they do household chores, fetching water, etc., = there is always an ART ( a SetPattern(Kata/Pomsee/Kun) on how to fetch water, etc......

To be honest, Practicing KungFu, Canvas Landscape Oil Painting, and Personal Computer Desktoping is my only concern in life....... no luxury, no household chores, no time for girls....... mostly - kungfu is prioritized

[Tom Yum]

Ironic because on my IQ test in second grade i got 129

The trends say that people with higher IQs tend to be better at learning abstract crap more efficiently.

If H2H has a 129 IQ and Tom Yum has an IQ of 96 and we put equal effort into an trig class, H2H will probably do better in the class. IQ has alot to do with ability to learn, but not much more than that.

96 is in the low average range of IQ. Learning algebra would be about the extent of my mathematical ability.

106 is in the high average range of IQ. Learning trigonometry and basic calculus i.e. polar coordinate systems.

116 is above average. Calculus good...

126 is considered highly intelligent. Now we're moving into more abstract stuff like partial diff eq's, bangin' out stochastics like its breakfast and drinking advanced number theory like its mornin' coffee. Deriving things that most people don't think of....

136+ is definitely genius material. Your inventing new math!!

[Tom Yum]

But just because you memorise crap and do well in school doesnt mean that you have a brain in your head.

True.

But if you don't do decently in school......well you get the picture. Stay in school man.

How do you distinguish an intelligent person from one that can memorize crap and do well in school?

IQ? creativity? deductive problem solving? social skills? communication skills? accomplishments (double counted with education)

and what about those that are intelligent in other ways? For example, Muhammad Ali was never educated but had a sharp wit and an amazing grasp of philosophy. On top of that, he was an intelligent fighter with awesome rhythm and timing.

[Tom Yum]

Yep IQ does have alot with ability to learn, anyways in my case i do learn nonabstract stuff pretty well too, and have a natural athletic ability and tend to bulk up easily, am good at making stuff with my hands, and used to play piano which came easily for me even though i rarly practiced. Although i wasnt too good at sight reading because once i got a song i would just play it by tune, and feal the music not play like a robot without emotion.

I am i luv with myself now more than ever. jk

Get a room.

I feel your music. They say people with music skills tend do better at math and foreign languages; its just a gift to be thankfull for.

I too have a love for music, whether sheet music or improv. Sight reading is like mind reading, no? Most people can't stand my musical intersts becuz they are too diverse. When I was your age, I consistantly played in the top of my section in both classical and jazz. 2 different schools of training - really hard to be competent in both. I think improv skills come with age. Most 14 year olds can't hang, but when you reach 17 or 18 it starts to come natural.

I love the piano. Its one of the most beautiful instruments, but I can't play it. What's your favorite songs to play?

[Dim Wit Moc]

No one controls the intelligence or gifts they are born with. Abilities are God given. Abilities can also be improved on. Everyone can give 1oo% regardless of their skill level. I personally believe that they are many kinds of intelligence, but all anyone seems to be interested in is IQ. Mine has been measured at above average, but I consider myself an average guy who works hard to accomplish whatever goals he can. When I was younger guy who thought he was hot s _ _ _, and walked around with a swolen head I got cut down to size by a couple of unlikely sources. It was not from a head on confrontation, but by people who used a great deal of wisdom in showing me what an idiot I was. When I look at the martial arts, I don't look at it as my dad can beat up your dad, or my style can beat yours (although kenpo and kung fu are my favorites). When Bruce Lee and Count Dante were my heros, I did look at things that way. Now I look at the arts as a means of self defense and exercise. If I'm not good at something, I admit it. If I am really interested in something, then I work hard to improve. I kind of hate the big ego I used to have. I find people interesting and enjoyable for the most part, although I can have serious personality conflicts at times. I rejoice with any of you who have had martial achievements and am as happy for you as I would be for myself and that is no bull. Thanks for listening to my rambling musings.