Most useless Martial Arts styles

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by chris davis 200
IPON



Why? what did you Expect Karate to look like?

cheers
chris

Probably like Karate basics, so reverse punch with retracting opposite arm and things like that

[Thai Bri]

It is a strange phemoenon indeed when martial artists from one style change their training to be more like another, and then still claim to be doing their original style.

Who remmebrs UFC 3 when Kimo claimed to be doing TKD?

[IPON]

Chris, Toudiyama[NL] : I just meant that all I saw was lower leg/shin style thai kicks. I was expecting more variety of kicks from the karate stylist.

This is off the topic but can on of you answer a question: I have always wondered why in point tourney a kick was scored higher than a punch. It seems much more difficult land a strike than a kick in these karate events.

I know this may sound silly, but my first official instructor spoiled me by letting me grapple when we sparred and after I realized I could not grapple tournements, in any range, I lost interest....anyway just curious

[Toudiyama[NL]]

IPON:

In WKF ( WUKO) karate, High kicks are scored higher than punches and specificaly the difficult kicks like ushiro mawashi geri ( without turn)


The fact that is wasn't clear that one of the fighters was karate was because of the rules. Do you think someone competing iunder K1 rules will fight the same as under WKF rules?

In Kyokushin/Seido/Ashihara/Enshin/Oyama karate you will predominantly see lowkicks and high roundhouse kicks

Thai Bri

That is because their main thing stays the same
If you are doing MT and augment that with some groundfighting, what do you consider yourself?

[IPON]

Toudiyama[NL]: Thanks. That was my question also if it was a thai fight under thai rules. The post stated Kyokoshin Karate vs MT so actually I expected open competion between the 2 fighters. I would never expect reverse punches they would not be practicle in a ring with gloves on. but the fight seemed more Thi based only low leg kicks (I may have missed a roundhouse).
I guess my point.....(sigh...I bow my head in shame but I must agree with thi bri) but it is hard to say that karate beat MT if they used MT rules (and vice versa MT over karate) IMO

Regarding the points scoring in karate tourneys (japanese korean, etc) so kicks are scored higher becuase of the difficulty of the kick. I can understand that logic. again, I gues I look at these sparring that it is tecnically more difficult to land a punch, but the kicks would require a greater level of skill and power. Cool

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
IPON:

Thai Bri

That is because their main thing stays the same
If you are doing MT and augment that with some groundfighting, what do you consider yourself?

I do not consider myself affilliated to any style, though I have had training in quite a few. I agree with the concept of what is loosely called Combatives. This is not one style, and doesn't really fit neatly into the term "martial arts". But it hurts if you're on the receiving end.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by IPON
Toudiyama[NL]: Thanks. That was my question also if it was a thai fight under thai rules. The post stated Kyokoshin Karate vs MT so actually I expected open competion between the 2 fighters. I would never expect reverse punches they would not be practicle in a ring with gloves on. but the fight seemed more Thi based only low leg kicks (I may have missed a roundhouse).
I guess my point.....(sigh...I bow my head in shame but I must agree with thi bri) but it is hard to say that karate beat MT if they used MT rules (and vice versa MT over karate) IMO

Regarding the points scoring in karate tourneys (japanese korean, etc) so kicks are scored higher becuase of the difficulty of the kick. I can understand that logic. again, I gues I look at these sparring that it is tecnically more difficult to land a punch, but the kicks would require a greater level of skill and power. Cool

Only Karateka that won in the Kyokushin vs MT event, was Kurosaki, one of the best Kyokushin fighters, he later started the japanese kickboxing school called Mejiro gym, after which the dutch Mejiro gym is named

As for punches being more difficult to land, I didn't feel like that in WUKO/WKF karate competition
They are more difficult to land compared to a full contact match.
Pointsparring is best compared to fencing
If you would use a sharp weapon you could cut open someone but if someone else would attack with a broadsword, you better not try to block it
the fencer will have to strike over and over again to do a lot of damage, the guy with the broadsword only has to hit once or twice

[Szczepankiewicz]

I do not consider myself affilliated to any style

Translation: No one can stand to work with Brian for any length of time. He pisses 'em all off and they give him his walking papers!

What a punkass!

[Thai Bri]

The truth hurts, you bad back Annie you.

[greyfox13]

whats with you karate bashers? i like my art, and thats what matters to me, if i were in a streetfight, id' go all out and kick the guys ass

[brokenelbow]

It is a strange phemoenon indeed when martial artists from one style change their training to be more like another, and then still claim to be doing their original style.

Still caught up in names. Who cares what it's called? If my style shares a technique with kali does that mean I'm doing kali?

[c0bra]

Originally posted by greyfox13
whats with you karate bashers? i like my art, and thats what matters to me, if i were in a streetfight, id' go all out and kick the guys ass

amen

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by brokenelbow
Still caught up in names. Who cares what it's called? If my style shares a technique with kali does that mean I'm doing kali?

Most are not so much caught up with names in general
What happens is that a MT fighter that augments his training with groundfighting may be called MT but as soon as a Karate fighter does that, he should stop calling it Karate

These days no single art fighter is doing well, even the GJJ and BJJ people train their standup part more than in the past if they want to fight in a MMA event, I remember Royce claiming there is no striking in GJJ ( he said in JJ ) but you can see a lot of BJJ/GJJ fighters entering have trained their strikingskills
Does this mean they should stop calling it BJJ/GJJ?

[Thai Bri]

The point is this. It is pointless to say "XXX Kung Fu is better than YYY Karate" when XXX Kung Fu is taking almost everything useful it has from other arts. If it is no longer XXX Kung Fu, it is stupid and meaningless to refer to it by that name.

I started in Shukokai Karate. In a real fight I would be using elements of Shukokai, Combatives, Thai Boxing and ground grappling. Would it be meaningful of me to then say "look how good Shukokai Karate is"

Get it?

[Szczepankiewicz]

Uhh....no.