Most useless Martial Arts styles

[MuayThaiFighter]

Correction:
Karate and Tae Kwon Do will not work on Street Fights, only KungFu is the Best........

Like I said previously you better get off whatever drugs you are on,because you are 100% incorrect. Pankration,Shooto,Muay Thai,Boxing,American Kickboxing,Submmision Wrestling,Jujitsu,Judo,Aikido,would all kick ass on Kung Fu, you can keep convincing yourself Kung Fu is better if you want and live in a dream world instead of in a world of reality.

[sherwinc]

Like I said previously you better get off whatever drugs you are on,because you are 100% incorrect. Pankration,Shooto,Muay Thai,Boxing,American Kickboxing,Submmision Wrestling,Jujitsu,Judo,Aikido,would all kick ass on Kung Fu, you can keep convincing yourself Kung Fu is better if you want and live in a dream world instead of in a world of reality.

All of the fighting styles that you mention the fights lasted at 12rounds, the best martial arts is to fight and finish him within 60seconds or before 120seconds.....

Now, if you cant beat him before 120seconds then you cannot fight (only you versus two or more opponents)


CONVINCED??????

[MuayThaiFighter]

All of the fighting styles that you mention the fights lasted at 12rounds, the best martial arts is to fight and finish him within 60seconds or before 120seconds.....

Now, if you cant beat him before 120seconds then you cannot fight (only you versus two or more opponents)


CONVINCED??????

Actually no I'm not convinced, because as usual you are wrong.I have never heard of any of these fighting styles lasting 12 rounds.I have fought Pankration and Muay Thai and they all can go up to 3 rounds of 3 minutes unless you finish the fight in the first round with knockout or submission.Most people won't last 12 rounds,you'd get tired way before that.The only fighters I've ever heard of having more then 3 rounds are boxers so this shows me you have no idea about these fighting arts I mentioned.

Besides these competitions won't allow for more then 3 rounds.

Another thing last time I saw a Kung Fu person fighting in tournament it lasted 3 rounds as well,the guy DID NOT finish his fight in just 60 to 120 seconds and I got news for you he still lost.

For competition 120 seconds is not very long time but is too long for a real fight since most real fights end with in the first 30 to 60 seconds at least the ones I were last in(when I was younger) and those I've seen.

If you had said the best fighter on street will beat his opponent within the first 30 to 60 seconds then yes I would have agreed but to say the best martial arts fighter for competition would last only 60 seconds or less is absolutely rediculous. A street fight takes less time as competition because on the street everything goes,rules do not exist.

Think before you write about how long you think fighting styles last,because obviously you have no clue,you don't even realize your own art has fights for 3 rounds of 3 mins.

I have another question for you,if KUNG FU is the best why is it they only or at least the ones I've seen only do point sparring?Correct me if I'm wrong about this.Also why is Kung Fu not considered a fighting art if it is the best for self-defense?

Perhaps it is the best for breathing exercises and for meditation but certainly not for self-defense.

[sherwinc]

I have another question for you,if KUNG FU is the best why is it they only or at least the ones I've seen only do point sparring?Correct me if I'm wrong about this.Also why is Kung Fu not considered a fighting art if it is the best for self-defense?

Perhaps it is the best for breathing exercises and for meditation but certainly not for self-defense.

Sparring between your KungFu Classmate is done by Point-Sparring. Why??? because you and him - seeking for the undiscovered hidden applications within a single alphabets of Hand Attacks.

I already told you that in each of the single Hand Attacks of KungFu has 6 or more application each. A true KungFu instructor usually teach you his alphabets of hand attacks and its your turn now to discover its 6 or more applications within each of that hand attacks. Why???? cause each of hand attack is a defense while it is also good in offense, or offense while it is also used as a defense move.

Like what i always say, non-kungfu martial arts is "a fist is just a fist" while in kungfu "a fist is not a fist, the whole body becomes a fist".

Now....

In KungFu Challenges with other KungFu club, you have to disabled him before 60seconds, if both of you are in the high level KungFu then around 60seconds passed but still either both of you cannot simply hit each other but a lot of defense as you may see, a lot of forearm smashing long enough for the fist to make contact to opponent's chest......

you see????

In KungFu, Blocking, Evading, Neutralizing, Leading, Parrying (all defense) they prioritize the Defensive move. If you can no longer raise your forearm to make defensive move cause its really hurt, a lot of bruise (may his forearm is very hard than yours) then he may hit you in your chest (yet you intend to block his attacking fist but your forearm will not move).

Want to have proof?????

Using my ChiDianBun KungFu When i spar with my non-kungfu opponent (particularly Karate, Boxing), he hit me a draw punch only once (he hit me in my stomach while i hit him in his head) while i hit him 12 times..... you see the ratio is 1:12 (a lot for forearm smashing, before i land my fist unto his chest. Hes in the defensive move while i do rapid hand combinations leaving him no time to launch his hand attacks. Since not all forcefull rapid hand combinations he might block 12 of them enters to his chest.

while when we spar with my kungfu instructor, a lot of combination i attack him but he all defend it, all of my best combinations but none of them lands.

so how can you win the fight if you only knew 6 hand attacks like those in Boxing, Muay Thai boxing hand attacks

so how can you win the fight if your attacking fists is straight from shoulder to fist like those of Karate and Tae Kwon Do? Telegraphic moves, yet their hand attacks is more than 6 but still - they attack in a strainght line????

see???? in KungFu, forearm smashing unto forearm of you opponent is emphasize

while in nonKungFu arts..... if A punch to B's chest and it did hit.... while B punch A's chest and A's chest also hit. They seems to block the oncoming fist with their chest or head. No blocking is emphasize. Thus you can say the most stronger opponent and the most taller and the most faster will win. Theres no technique level theory.


KungFu is not for a selfdefence category since KungFu is a self offence type of martial arts.

Note:
If you kill your opponent before 60seconds, you will be put in jail, but the fact is, yet you might see unique kungfu's dis-advantages in his moves but too late, you are already dead. and there's no rematch, that is the reason why kungfu doesnt join in competitions.

A QUESTION FOR YOU:
why is it that all that i saw in Boxing, Karate, Muay Thai, Wrestling Competitions: i did not see eye clawing, or attack to illegal parts of the body????? If that is the rules then KungFu will not win.

[Tom Yum]

Sparring between your KungFu Classmate is done by Point-Sparring. Why??? because you and him - seeking for the undiscovered hidden applications within a single alphabets of Hand Attacks.

so how can you win the fight if your attacking fists is straight from shoulder to fist like those of Karate and Tae Kwon Do? Telegraphic moves, yet their hand attacks is more than 6 but still - they attack in a strainght line????

see???? in KungFu, forearm smashing unto forearm of you opponent is emphasize

A QUESTION FOR YOU:
why is it that all that i saw in Boxing, Karate, Muay Thai, Wrestling Competitions: i did not see eye clawing, or attack to illegal parts of the body????? If that is the rules then KungFu will not win.

Illegal moves are great for self-defense - clawing, biting, stomping, head butting are all devastating moves. How can you be confident of those techniques if you only practice against stationary opponents who co-operate with you?

That's where sparring comes into play. You can't use those devastating techniques, but you build important fight skills. You have to learn to maneuver against a dynamic opponent who isn't going to throw one punch and stand there with his arm extended while you show him your 6-technique chidian bun palm strike. Against a tough street fighter, you might have enough time to land 1 maybe 2 counter strikes for each punch before the guy instinctively moves out of the way and tries to hit you again or tackle you.

If those 2 strikes stun him well enough, then you could get into your 234,908,765 chidian bun fists of fury

It sounds like you sparr against point-sparring karate fighters with stiff-arm punching. I don't think you've ever sparred against a decent amateur boxer or muay thai fighter. An amateur boxer is going to move around you pretty smoothly and unload punches like a hot piston from all angles. As soon as you block one, the second one is an inch away from your face or your chest (better keep your hands up) and the third punch has allready begun. Boxers don't throw one punch at a time to hit you - they might throw a jab and move to see how you respond, but thereafter he's going to watch you closely and come after you.

The point I'm getting at is that the viscious illegal kungfu techniques can work in self defense against an untrained attacker or a drunk. You'll probably never have to defend yourself against a muay thai or karate fighter in a self-defense situation.

If you can hold your own against a boxer, whose not compliant and trying to take your head off then good for you and your dedication to chirdianbun.

If you haven't actually done any contact sparring with a boxer and only insist that more techniques are better because you say so, then you don't know.

Your better off talking about the techniques you have that don't involve a glove.

[sherwinc]

Illegal moves are great for self-defense - clawing, biting, stomping, head butting are all devastating moves. How can you be confident of those techniques if you only practice against stationary opponents who co-operate with you?

That's where sparring comes into play. You can't use those devastating techniques, but you build important fight skills. You have to learn to maneuver against a dynamic opponent who isn't going to throw one punch and stand there with his arm extended while you show him your 6-technique chidian bun palm strike. Against a tough street fighter, you might have enough time to land 1 maybe 2 counter strikes for each punch before the guy instinctively moves out of the way and tries to hit you again or tackle you.

If those 2 strikes stun him well enough, then you could get into your 234,908,765 chidian bun fists of fury

It sounds like you sparr against point-sparring karate fighters with stiff-arm punching. I don't think you've ever sparred against a decent amateur boxer or muay thai fighter. An amateur boxer is going to move around you pretty smoothly and unload punches like a hot piston from all angles. As soon as you block one, the second one is an inch away from your face or your chest (better keep your hands up) and the third punch has allready begun. Boxers don't throw one punch at a time to hit you - they might throw a jab and move to see how you respond, but thereafter he's going to watch you closely and come after you.

The point I'm getting at is that the viscious illegal kungfu techniques can work in self defense against an untrained attacker or a drunk. You'll probably never have to defend yourself against a muay thai or karate fighter in a self-defense situation.

If you can hold your own against a boxer, whose not compliant and trying to take your head off then good for you and your dedication to chirdianbun.

If you haven't actually done any contact sparring with a boxer and only insist that more techniques are better because you say so, then you don't know.

Your better off talking about the techniques you have that don't involve a glove.

you know, in Chi Dian Bun, if we intercept your right straight punch unto my head or my ches, we make sure that we intercept it using Chiee to your straight punch, i will not tell you how to do it but Chi Dian Bun's first intercept is to release your right forearm by hitting your elbow, now, you only have one arm left..... cause your right elbow is already break and i make it only in a single move, but we some a so called rapid followup - and that is illegal in a tournament, so we cannot use that, if we cannot use it cause its illegal, then we lose, if we lose, better than we will not join the tournament......

coz its not considered as a sport but its a self offense, and sports martial arts only are qualified to join the tournament....

Note:
if Chi Dian Bun joins the tournament to fight any non-kungfu..... our first move is to break the elbows of the opponent in a single move using Tiong, our second move is to hit the eyes using Kim and your eyeball will fell on the ground if the execution is correct.... while our third move is to break your kneecap using Lap Sing Kat Kick....

question:
how many moves did i made? 3 moves right? right!!!!

now, we can do it 3 moves in a matter of less than five seconds just before the referree can break the fight..... the opponent is DIS-ABLED and i will going to jail for what i did.....

cause that's the way we fight.....

[sherwinc]

Illegal moves are great for self-defense - clawing, biting, stomping, head butting are all devastating moves. How can you be confident of those techniques if you only practice against stationary opponents who co-operate with you?

in Chi Dian Bun, what you see is not...... you are sure that the target is in the head but your solar plexus hits, you are sure that your left rib is the target but your left jaw is hit, you are sure that the target is your right neck but it is really your right neck hits..... coz its an illusion to the eyes done in a rapid motion of combinations.....

Chi Dian Bun is very popular in:
1. Illusion Techniques
2. Walking Hand motions done in diagonal and circular/semi-circular
3. Seven Elements after finishing the first 5 rapid Kata's
4. Merged with Hik Tai Chi Chuan
5. The Famous Phoenix Eyed Fist alphabets if the opponent is very tough

Note:
but these Chi Dian Bun Illusion Techniques is useless against WingChun's Chi Sau autopilot

but these Walking Hand motions of Chi Dian Bun is useless against a robot bulldozer power rapid punches of NgoChoKun kungfu

only Phoenix Eyed Fist and its Merged Hik Tai Chi Chuan is the only advanced techniques of Chi Dian Bun as a last recourse...... if the kungfu opponent is tough (like WingChun and NgoChoKun)

[jmd161]

I guess i'll ad my .02 cents.

sherwinc,


Everything you said is all fine and dandy on paper ,but is alot more difficult to pull off against a trained fighter. Anyone that actually believe's that kung fu,karate,TKD is useless for defense is ......... well stupid!!

Any of those arts used in the manner they were intended will work. People talk about TKD with no respect ,but i know a MMA fighter that uses "HIS" TKD kicks in his matches very effectively. Not only has he won matches ,but he's also a champion.



Here's a link to his record.

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/afapraxis/camrec.jpg

But anyway back to my point.

Any martial art can be effective if taught,trained,and excuted in the manner it was meant to be. Also it has alot to do with the person also. If you could not fight before learning ma's. Chances are you won't really be that much better after.

It does take some natural skills that can't be taught.

jeff

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Note:
if Chi Dian Bun joins the tournament to fight any non-kungfu..... our first move is to break the elbows of the opponent in a single move using Tiong, our second move is to hit the eyes using Kim and your eyeball will fell on the ground if the execution is correct.... while our third move is to break your kneecap using Lap Sing Kat Kick....

question:
how many moves did i made? 3 moves right? right!!!!

now, we can do it 3 moves in a matter of less than five seconds just before the referree can break the fight..... the opponent is DIS-ABLED and i will going to jail for what i did.....

cause that's the way we fight.....

Yeah right and Lords of the Ring is a true story

Man you really DO believe the stories your teachers tell you, don't you

In competition everyone is limited because every arts dangerous techniques are taken out, this is the main reason why you think Arts like Karate don't have any
If only these few techniques can make you win, why learn the rest in the first place?
The "Too Dangerous" argument is BS, a better one would be that one doesn't feel the need to prove oneself better than another but then you shouldn't claim to be better

You think it's easy to break an elbow that is bend? heck do you think it is easy to break an elbow period? then go to the slaugtherhouse and find a Pig or cow and try if you can break the bones/knee/elbow as easy as you think, you will be supprised, I can asure you

[sherwinc]

Yeah right and Lords of the Ring is a true story

Man you really DO believe the stories your teachers tell you, don't you

In competition everyone is limited because every arts dangerous techniques are taken out, this is the main reason why you think Arts like Karate don't have any
If only these few techniques can make you win, why learn the rest in the first place?
The "Too Dangerous" argument is BS, a better one would be that one doesn't feel the need to prove oneself better than another but then you shouldn't claim to be better

You think it's easy to break an elbow that is bend? heck do you think it is easy to break an elbow period? then go to the slaugtherhouse and find a Pig or cow and try if you can break the bones/knee/elbow as easy as you think, you will be supprised, I can asure you

Example:
in Chi Dian Bun, all of our hand attacks are not found in the rules of the tournament, and if we use it the referree will shout a "Foul"?

then how can we made a rapid follow-up in a death cavities if the referree will only shout "Disqualified"?

the only hand attacks that are found in the tournament is cross, jab, hook, straight, roundhousepunch but we dont have those kind of hand attacks.... cause that wont work in a fight but that kind of attack is a very easy to intercept....

example:
we have the level 2 hand attack #5 (it looks like a simultaenous downward deflection of the left hand to intercept opponents punch to my belly while my right hand grabs your shirt collar in a Leopard Fist then with the help of your shirt collar as my virtual friend - i can not rapidly strike your windpipe/adams apple or chest rapidly with the help of your collar to trigger it fast and an added power) your intention is to stop me but you notice that both of your hands and feet dont move/work.

my instructor did it to me, my both hands and both feet has no problem but it is only my intention to block it when i see but i could not move both my hands and my feet due to pain and a correct interval of leopard strikes.....

now, i show you again another form of Chi Dian Bun's Illusion Technique.... but i dont think that you can get it...... if you have no walking hands training....

another example:
you execute a shit karate/taekwondo straight punch and maintain it not to withdraw on your waist..... your punch should be straight from shoulder up to your fist..... then have someone to smash your elbow, and i dont think your elbow will release from your arm, it will break

note:
we also dont have hand attacks such as shoto, backfist, even front kick, sidekick roundhouse kick we dont have...... so how can we win in the tournament cause that type of attacks is only allowed????

our Chi Dian Bun Hand or Feet Attacks is a combination of hands and feet that do their job simultaenously as i said before "The whole body becomes a fist"

and even shifting from a Forward stance to Kia Be Se Stance is also considered a kick, yet you dont see any kicking but it is still considered as a kick and it works..... (one of chi dian bun's illusion technique) Tai Chi has also like those kind of Kicks..... the shifting of a stance on another stance is considered a kick but if you dont know how then its your problem.....

even the way we bow is considered an attack

[darrianation]

in Chi Dian Bun, all of our hand attacks are not found in the rules of the tournament, and if we use it the referree will shout a "Foul"?

then how can we made a rapid follow-up in a death cavities if the referree will only shout "Disqualified"?

Ahh quite your whining!

the only hand attacks that are found in the tournament is cross, jab, hook, straight, roundhousepunch but we dont have those kind of hand attacks.... cause that wont work in a fight but that kind of attack is a very easy to intercept....

Get in the ring with a boxer and we'll see how easy they are to intercept.

[darrianation]

in Chi Dian Bun, what you see is not...... you are sure that the target is in the head but your solar plexus hits, you are sure that your left rib is the target but your left jaw is hit, you are sure that the target is your right neck but it is really your right neck hits..... coz its an illusion to the eyes done in a rapid motion of combinations.....

Chi Dian Bun is very popular in:
1. Illusion Techniques
2. Walking Hand motions done in diagonal and circular/semi-circular
3. Seven Elements after finishing the first 5 rapid Kata's
4. Merged with Hik Tai Chi Chuan
5. The Famous Phoenix Eyed Fist alphabets if the opponent is very tough

Note:
but these Chi Dian Bun Illusion Techniques is useless against WingChun's Chi Sau autopilot

but these Walking Hand motions of Chi Dian Bun is useless against a robot bulldozer power rapid punches of NgoChoKun kungfu

only Phoenix Eyed Fist and its Merged Hik Tai Chi Chuan is the only advanced techniques of Chi Dian Bun as a last recourse...... if the kungfu opponent is tough (like WingChun and NgoChoKun)

Is it just me or is sherwinc talking in some form of alien language?

[gracilva]

Ok, let's leave the poor delusional kid alone.
All he needs is a good old fashioned beating into a semi coma like state.
When, or if he wakes, he might open his eyes (jaw still wired shut of course)
Commence rehabilitation from hospital or home (whatever is more convenient)
and possibly take up MMA, Grappling etc.
Then again maybe not.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Is it just me or is sherwinc talking in some form of alien language?

He must just left a dutch coffeeshop

He didn't use it on the street, doesn't enter multistyle events but still thinks he can defeat all, heck claims to have beaten karateka
How????? in your own gym under your rules?, I can do that too, always won from visitors from other style ( but I let them fight the way they want)


If you are so convinced of your arts superiority, enter a Vale Tudo tournament, the 2 or 3 things that are prohibited there shouldn't keep you back and you should be able to win easely ( yeah right)

[Mr. Heel Hook]

Ugh... I thought I discontinued from this message board. This place is a hole...