Flag Burning

[BoarSpear]

OK, I take exception to that. While King and Parks were not in the military, many of the citizens who started the civil rights movement were veterans of WWII, who first had to fight for their right to fight, then went on to fight the axis powers. they shed blood for a country which thought of them as second class citizens but still fought as hard and as bravely as anyone.

okay guys...Rosa wasnt the first Lady brave enough to sit up front...she was just the one with the friends to make it matter...The people who DIED for those rights deserve to be called patriots and heros...You wouldnt HAVE a country to squabble over your rights in if warriors didnt DIE to give you that right...how far would rosa have gotten in IRAQ? .....

[BoarSpear]

If you mean, how far would Rosa have gotten in a war zone using nothing but her beliefs, passive resistance, and a call to action from the oppressed majority, I'd have to say potentially as far as Gandhi got in India against the British using nothing but his beliefs, passive resistance, and a call to action from the oppressed majority.

You can't overlook the power of free thought applied to the limits of prejudice and injustice - whether that free thought is directed at the political structure through guns or words. The price paid by Rosa Parks may not have been as high as the price paid by soldiers who die in war, but was it the same for Malcolm X, President Kennedy, or Martin Luther King? Were they simply murdered, or were they casualties of a different kind of war?

Not arguing one way or the other....just food for thought.

you know what i meant...If some kurd had stood up and argued he would have died...thats a hero/fool/martyr....knowing you aint gonna die cause you have back up is different...it was possible Rosa could have died but unlikely with the set up she had beforhand. im not taking anything away from her actions, but she didnt exactly dive on a grenade to save her buddies, she sat down on the wrong bus seat...lets get some perspective.

[BoarSpear]

I understand what you're saying, but you lumped Martin Luther King Jr. in with that same perspective. I think it's fair to say he did a whole bunch for the civil liberties movement, including the whole being gunned down thing.

And as far as Rosa Parks, maybe she was just resting her tired feet. It's that whole Butterfly Effect, though. Small things to one person may be huge, life changing, monumental happenings to others. How many kids took up martial arts because they saw some dubbed-over Bruce Lee flick? Hell, Bosnians just erected a damned statue of the guy as a symbol of international peace - and all he did was punch and kick people and make a few movies (that honestly weren't that great to begin with.). I think in many cases, it's the result that simple actions bring, rather than the actions themselves, that make deeds heroic in the eyes of history. Sometimes, someone makes a sacrifice that you can call heroic on the spot. Other times, you end up a unifying symbol between war-torn nations because you wanted to make money teaching white guys kung fu in the 60's. Odd, but somehow important nonetheless.

okay but then the women who burned their bra's are hero's as well by your standards...somehow i think dying fighting for a cause should get you special consideration...hero is based on what other people choose to respect...maybe my standards are a little tougher...it seems alot of people respect Bush for instance

[medic06]

Rosa Parks did alot more than sit on a bus. In the end, King took a bullet to the head. Many veterans of both WWII and Korea participated in the civil rights movement. Quite a few veterans came home from fighting nazis and got lynched by their own fellow Americans.

OK, back to the topic

[BoarSpear]

Rosa Parks did alot more than sit on a bus. In the end, King took a bullet to the head. Many veterans of both WWII and Korea participated in the civil rights movement. Quite a few veterans came home from fighting nazis and got lynched by their own fellow Americans.

OK, back to the topic

Hey dude no one said Rosa cant be one of your Hero's. Hero's are people that you look up to or respect. There are ALOT of different people that others choose to idolize or call hero's. For me there are so many types of people who sacrificed so much that you have to draw a line somewhere, i draw that line at people who sat down. Every monk who set himself on fire, every protester who died under tank treads, every protester decapitated by police shields comes in higher than Rosa...every 18 yr old with no arms and legs, and only half a face because of some iraqi IED is higher on my list than Rosa as well...but thats okay, because they are MY hero's....not yours...

you gotta realize some people will list sports figures as their heros...its all about how you see the world and the things you value.

[medic06]

Rosa Parks is not on the top of my list of heroes. I just was informing you that she did alot more than sit on the bus.

Hmmmm, it seems like you have to matyr yourself to get your respect

[Garland]

okay but then the women who burned their bra's are hero's as well by your standards...somehow i think dying fighting for a cause should get you special consideration...hero is based on what other people choose to respect...maybe my standards are a little tougher...it seems alot of people respect Bush for instance

yes, but sometimes blind martyrdom isn't a good thing. Look at the suicide bombers for instance...they die for their cause.

As for Bush...I'm still confused about that one, as far as respect, or even trust goes!

[BoarSpear]

yes, but sometimes blind martyrdom isn't a good thing. Look at the suicide bombers for instance...they die for their cause.

As for Bush...I'm still confused about that one, as far as respect, or even trust goes!

well said, signing up to fight and die for a cause you dont fully understand isnt always the smartest choice.

[Makkhatter]

I signed up to defend America - I'm not always sure why I'm in Iraq now, but I reckon someone much higher up the chain then me thinks they do. At least I've stopped my share of terrorist from getting any farther - With all the Syrians, Jordanians, and the like over here in Iraq attacking us, maybe were over here as a filter to keep the terrorists from attacking America instead. Some kind of buffer zone.

and as for flag burning - let me see someone burning a flag. Sure, I'm all for free speech, and I guess you should have to right to burn the flag - but then my breaking skulls on the curb should be legal 2, right?