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Originally Posted by jubajiOriginally posted by BoarSpear
Originally Posted by jubaji
Originally Posted by jubaji
Originally Posted by jubaji
I'd be interested to see the evidence you have of President Bush ever saying that Iraq was directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11.
If you are referring to the fact that Iraq is a central aspect of the war on terror that we were awakened to by the attacks of 9/11, then that's a different matter.
Isn't it?
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Oh you think you were right huh?Originally posted by jubaji
WHATEVER
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Originally posted by BoarSpearOh you think you were right huh? WHATEVER
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Let's try again...
"I'd be interested to see the evidence you have of President Bush ever saying that Iraq was directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11."
You have none. And you couldn't bring yourself to simply admit that.Comment
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White House Misled WorldOriginally posted by jubaji
Over Saddam-911 Connection
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
The Independent - UK
6-17-4
President George Bush, 1 May 2003 "The liberation of Iraq removed... an ally of al-Qa'ida."
Vice-President Cheney, 22 January 2004 "There's overwhelming evidence... of a connection between al-Qa'ida and Iraq."
Donald Rumsfeld, 14 November 2002 "Within a week, or a month, Saddam could give his WMD to al-Qa'ida."
Condoleezza Rice, 17 September 2003 "Saddam was a danger in the region where the 9/11 threat emerged."
The Bush administration's credibility was dealt a devastating blow yesterday when the commission investigating the attacks of 11 September said there was no credible evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had assisted al-Qa'ida - something repeatedly suggested by the President and his senior officials and held up as a reason for the invasion of Iraq.
A report by the independent commission said while there were contacts between Iraq and al-Qa'ida operatives in the 1990s, it appeared Osama bin Laden's requests for a partnership were rebuffed. "We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qa'ida co-operated on attacks against the United States," the commission said. It also discounted widespread claims that Mohamed Atta, the hijackers' ringleader, met an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague.
The report forced the Bush administration on to the defensive, as it appeared to undermine one of its key justifications for the invasion of Iraq.
While Mr Bush has been forced to admit there was no specific evidence to link Saddam to 11 September, his deputy, Dick Cheney, claimed on Monday that the former Iraqi leader was "a patron of terrorism [with] long-established ties with al-Qa'ida''.
Last autumn Mr Cheney referred to the disputed meeting between Atta and an Iraqi official in the Czech Republic.
Critics of the White House say there was a deliberate policy to manipulate public opinion and create an association between Saddam and the attacks on New York and Washington. If true, such a plan has certainly been successful: a poll taken last September by the Washington Post newspaper found 69 per cent of Americans believed that Saddam was involved in the 11 September attacks.
The Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry seized on the commission's report last night. "The administration misled America and the administration reached too far," he told Michigan National Public Radio.
The commission's report - issued at the start of its final two days of public hearings into the circumstances surrounding the attacks - confirmed that in the early Nineties al-Qa'ida and Saddam's regime had made overtures to each other.
In 1994, for instance, Saddam had dispatched a senior intelligence official to Sudan to meet Bin Laden, making three visits before he finally met the al-Qa'ida leader.
Bin Laden requested help to procure weapons and establish training camps but Iraq did not respond, the report said. There were also reports of contact with Bin Laden once he moved to Afghanistan in 1996 but these "do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship". It added: "Two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al-Qa'ida and Iraq." The commission's report also revealed that the initial plan for the attack on the US - drawn up by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a senior al-Qa'ida operative who is now in US custody - envisioned a much broader assault, simultaneously targeting 10 different US cities on both the east and west coasts.
That expanded target list included the FBI headquarters in the plot was to have been the 10th plane - on which he which personally have flown. Rather than attacking a building, Mohammed would have killed all of the male passengers on board, before contacting media and landing at an airport where he would have released women and children. He then was to make a speech denouncing the US. That ambitious plan was rejected by Bin Laden, who gave his approval to a scaled-back mission involving four planes and costing as little as between $4-500,000. Mohammed had wanted to use more hijackers for those planes - 25 or 26, instead of 19. It said at least 10 other al-Qa'ida operatives who were initially due to participate in the attacks had been identified. They did not take part in the mission for a variety of reasons including visa problems and suspicions by airport officials in the US.
The report also revealed that the plot was riven by internal dissent, including over whether to target the White House or the Capitol building that were apparently not resolved prior to the attacks. Bin Laden also had to overcome opposition to attacking the US from Mullah Omar, leader of the former Taliban regime, who was under pressure from Pakistan to keep al-Qa'ida confined.
The commission confirmed that al-Qa'ida, though drastically changed and decentralised since 9-11, retained regional networks that were seeking to attack the US.
"Al-Qa'ida remains extremely interested in conducting chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear attacks," said the report. It said that its ability to conduct an anthrax attack is one of the most immediate threats. The network may also try to attack a chemical plant or shipment of hazardous materials, or to use industrial chemicals as a weapon.
The report said the CIA estimated the network spent $30m a year before September 11 on training camps and terrorist operations. The money was also used to support the Taliban.
© 2004 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=532341
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HMMM bush was forced to admit there were no ties....that sure sounds like he said different....Comment
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Here’s what Bush said:
Bush’s Claim
Reality
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 500 tons of chemical weapons:
- Sarin gas
- Mustard gas
- VX Nerve agent
Not True
Zero Chemical Weapons Found
Not a drop of any chemical weapons has been found anywhere in Iraq
“U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein
had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable
of delivering chemical agents.”
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has 30,000 weapons capable of dumping chemical weapons on people
Not True
Zero Munitions Found
Not a single chemical weapon’s munition has been found anywhere in Iraq
“We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world
Not True
Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people
now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda
And implied that Iraq was somehow behind 9/11
Not True
Zero Al Qaeda Connection
To date, not a shred of evidence connecting Hussein with Al Qaida or any other known terrorist organizations have been revealed.
(besides certain Palestinian groups who represent no direct threat to the US)
"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq has attempted to purchase metal tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production
Not True
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) as well as dozens of leading scientists declared said tubes unsuitable for nuclear weapons production -- months before the war.
"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites."
Bush speech to the nation – 10/7/2002
Iraq is rebuilding nuclear facilities at former sites.
Not True
Two months of inspections at these former Iraqi nuclear sites found zero evidence of prohibited nuclear activities there
IAEA report to UN Security Council – 1/27/2003
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
Iraq recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa
Not True
The documents implied were known at the time by Bush to be forged and not credible.
"We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
VP Dick Cheney – “Meet the Press” 3/16/2003
Iraq has Nuclear Weapons for a fact
Not True
“The IAEA had found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq."
IAEA report to UN Security Council – 3/7/2003
"We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in."
Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003
Iraq’s Saddam Hussein refused to allow UN inspectors into Iraq
Not True
UN inspectors went into Iraq to search for possible weapons violations from December 2002 into March 2003
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Ok then, "I'd be interested to see the evidence you have of President Bush ever saying that Iraq was directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11."Originally posted by BoarSpearWhite House Misled World
Over Saddam-911 Connection
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
The Independent - UK
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HMMM bush was forced to admit there were no ties....that sure sounds like he said different....Comment
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In a blunt contradiction to the Bush administration, the Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday there was "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.
Top Bush adminisration officials have repeatedly claimed links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.
Although no established links between Iraq and 9/11 have ever been proven, the findings of the bipartisan commission come as a direct challenge to one of the Bush administration's main justifications for war.
Over the past two years, Vice President Dick Cheney in particular has aggressively pushed the notion of an Iraq-Al-Qaeda alliance, describing it in dire terms.
Cheney on October 10, 2003: "He also has an established relationship with al-Qaeda, providing training to al-Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional bombs."
That was Cheney in October 2003. In January of this year, Cheney said, "there's overwhelming evidence" of an Iraq-al Qaeda connection and that he was "very confident there was an established relationship." As recently as this past Monday, Cheney once again claimed links between Iraq and al-Qaida.
Cheney on June 14, 2004: "He was a patron of terrorism. He had long-established ties with a-Qaeda."
The day after Cheney's comments, Bush was questioned at a press conference outside the White House.
White House Press Conference June 15, 2004:
Q: The Vice President, who I see standing over there, said yesterday that Saddam Hussein has long-established ties to al Qaeda. As you know, this is disputed within the U.S. intelligence community. Mr. President, would you add any qualifiers to that flat statement? And what do you think is the best evidence of it?
President Bush: Zarqawi. Zarqawi is the best evidence of connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda. He's the person who's still killing. He's the person -- and remember the email exchange between al Qaeda leadership and he, himself, about how to disrupt the progress toward freedom? Saddam Hussein also had ties to terrorist organizations, as well.
President Bush speaking outside the White House Tuesday. He refers to Abu Musab Zarqawi, a Jordanian who has taken credit for a wave of attacks in Iraq.
In January 2003, Bush suggested cooperation between Iraq and al-Qaeda in his landmark 2003 State of the Union address, just two months before the invasion.
State of the Union Address January 28, 2003:
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaeda."
President Bush making his State of the Union Address in January 2003. Critics have long dismissed the notion of any Iraq connection to the Sept. 11 attacks, but repeated government official claims have had an undeniable effect.
According to a recent poll, conducted by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the Univesrity of Maryland, 57 percent of Americans believe that Saddam gave substantial support to al-Qaeda.
This was the key finding in yesterday's report entitled "Overview of the Enemy." It was read by 9/11 Commission staff member Douglas Maceachin.
9/11 Commission report "Overview of the Enemy"
Bin ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting with Bin Laden in 1994. Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. There's been reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. The two senior Bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.
That was an excerpt of the 911 report yesterday. The release of the staff reports came as the commission opened its final public hearing on the attacks. The two days of hearings which end today cover the Sept. 11 plot and the emergency response by the Federal Aviation Administration and U.S. air defenses. The panel intends to issue a final report in July.
yet another report refuting the thing the white house never said...funny how many reports...like this one from the 911 commision state that CONTRARY to white house allegations there were NO ties between al qaeda and iraq.Comment
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Originally posted by BoarSpear
You seem to be in the habit of adding lots of other info when you are unable to address the point at hand. Are you under the impression that that will work for you?
"I'd be interested to see the evidence you have of President Bush ever saying that Iraq was directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11."
Just admit you can't produce such evidence, and move on.Comment
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Regardless how anyone frames it, the White House duped us. From "they hate us for our freedoms" to "solid evidence" of Al-Qaeda/Iraq connections, the Administration skirted some issues and manipulated information on others. In short, Bush Inc. lied and pressured others to do the same. The game plan succeeded, however, as polls repeatedly indicated that more than half of all U.S. citizens were consistently conned into believing Iraq was an immediate threat and that Saddam was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. Meanwhile, millions of well-intentioned souls, unaware of how deeply Bush cronies are lining their war-profiteering pockets [LINK], still trust promises of Iraq's "liberation" -- even if hourly ambushes on US soldiers [LINK] suggest Iraqis aren't exactly dancing in the streets.
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September, 2001- In the aftermath of Sept. 11, President Bush orders his then top anti-terrorism adviser Richard Clarke to look for a link between Iraq and the attacks, despite being told there didn't seem to be one.
September, 2001 - Barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld tells his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.
Nah bush never said anything that might make people believe Iraq was behind 911
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which part of the last half dozen reports that start with "refuting white house claims" are you too dim witted to understand boy??Originally posted by jubaji
Its stupid nut huggers like you that keep trash like Bush in office...put another bumper sticker on your gas guzzler and STFU jubaji.
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Cheney link of Iraq, 9/11 challenged
In a blunt contradiction to the Bush administration, the Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday there was "no credible evidence" that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.
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HMMM the 911 commission BLUNTLY CONTRADICTS THE BUSH ADMIN
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Critics have accused the president and other administration officials of falsely inflating the links between Iraq and al Qaeda in the months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech Monday in Florida, raised eyebrows by reasserting claims that Saddam "had long-established ties with al Qaeda."
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There is no proof of that whatsoever. There are different intrepretations of intelligence, there are different sources, there is the clarity of hindsight, but this "lied" business is lefty propaganda from bitter losers like you.Originally posted by BoarSpearComment
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Originally posted by BoarSpear
"I'd be interested to see the evidence you have of President Bush ever saying that Iraq was directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11."Comment
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Starting to stutter now huh??? How many reports have to say "contrary to white house claims" boy??Comment
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