Thank you Mr Bush, can I please have some lube?

[GonzoStyles]

I just believe that this "outsourcing" of US port management is a bad Idea on any level. from a country like the UAE which is about as corrupt as they come, it could lead to any number of bad things, Intel on security being sold to the highest budders is what comes to my mind. The Effendi/Fellaheen
dynamic which exists in the US Arabic allies is the sourch of most of the fanatiscism in the region. You have a poor largely illiterate population some of which cannot even READ the Koran and rely on "holymen" and the like to tell them what to believe, and a small group of rich sheiks who run the country by use of force and barbaric tactics on its own citizens. Hell, a US based corp trains the Saudi national guard to protect the royal family from its own citizens!

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11176

[Tom Yum]

Boar vs. Gonzo

Let's get it on!

[BoarSpear]

%#* I gotta Defend a Bush Admin decision??! ....

Do i get to lie...EEErrr use misleading facts and stupid eeerrr i mean... yeah stupid is what i meant, reasoning as well? HEHEHEHE

Alright, alright, I will do it.....



After careful consideration of the facts i conclude this is good for some rich guys somewhere, and we should definatly get behind this because, well George Bush said so, and it would be unpatriotic and assinine to oppose a "war time" President....However the actual facts that PROVE what a great idea this is are to follow in the rest of this post......



























And that sums up all the Good reasons to sell our ports to a foriegn nation...Gonzo, the floors all yours....

[BoarSpear]

Just kidding man, Im on it...

[BoarSpear]

I hoped you'd take on the challenge, because I know you're one of the only people on this forum willing to look at things from both sides and get up on a soapbox for the sake of education - even when it's not a cause you support.

Actually, I am really asking for this favor from you guys because it will make it pretty easy for me to research the issue if both sides are right here! Selfish, selfish, selfish....

Hey, whoa, isnt that a little like outsourcing your intel? ......Does that mean Im in intel? ...where's my tinfoil hat....

[BoarSpear]

Damned Liberal media!! ..... ......Geesh man Im REALLY trying to find some pros to this. The more i look into the thing trying to find pros, the more cons i discover!! But alas, gonzo's gonna hafta do his own homework, screw disclosure

Ps i havent given up, i have a coupla resources to mine, but i wanna see their faces when i want the Bush side ...LOL

[BoarSpear]

I hate to recommend it, but have you tried Rush? I think if anyone was going to support the idea simply because it was a decision by conservatives, he'd be your guy...

Even Rush hasnt exactly been supporting this one...he was mostly slingin mud at hillary because its fun or because she objected the port deal, i couldnt decide which made more sense.

[cam427]

I don't think the IRA is comprable to the Al Qaeda, and I don't think you can compare Great Britain to the UAE. Jerry Adams is a far cry from Osama Bin Laden. According to a quick google search the IRA is responsible for less than 2,000 deaths over several decades, and they committed those crimes in their own country on their own turf. Even at their worst they weren't a direct threat to the USA. Sure, there is support for the IRA in England, but you're talking about the over-whelming minority of UK citizens. Can the same be said of the UAE? I'm sick of us making countries that tell us what we want to hear politically like Saudi Arabia and the UAE RICH on American dollars just so their citizens can turn around and use it to support the Al Qaeda. I think we have been way too involved in that region for way too long, and that's the source of a lot of our problems. This is just going to make things worse in that respect even if they don't use possesion of the ports to smuggle in a bomb to blow up some more Americans- and they just might

Wow.. I think you are a little confused. The IRA were at war with the british for over 30 years with bombings occurring every week during some periods. There are hundreds of thousands of IRA supporters in the UK and even more in the US (the US was the largest financial supported of Irish terrorism until 9/11 when they realised it wasn't so cool to have to live in fear). Until last year when the IRA stood down people were still being randomly shot for their religion (the protestant groups are still doing this).

Also, the US does not do what it does to make others rich. It does what it does because it needs half of the worlds resources to keep its decadent population happy. It is taking from these countries not giving.

[Sagacious Lu]

Wow.. I think you are a little confused. The IRA were at war with the british for over 30 years with bombings occurring every week during some periods. There are hundreds of thousands of IRA supporters in the UK and even more in the US (the US was the largest financial supported of Irish terrorism until 9/11 when they realised it wasn't so cool to have to live in fear). Until last year when the IRA stood down people were still being randomly shot for their religion (the protestant groups are still doing this).

What exactly am I confused about? You haven't disagreed with anything in my statement although you seem to have some unpsecified problem with it. Do you disagree with my numbers on the death toll? Can you tell me about an IRA attack that occured in the USA? You say that there are "hundreds of thousands" of IRA supporters in the UK which according to a google search has a population of more than 60,000,000 so surely you don't have a problem with me saying that that is the "overwhelming minority of UK citizens".

Also, the US does not do what it does to make others rich. It does what it does because it needs half of the worlds resources to keep its decadent population happy. It is taking from these countries not giving.

I don't see what this has to do with my statement either. We do an enormous amount of business in the Middle-east, and I think we'd be better off if we did a lot less. I wish we weren't so dependent on oil but this thread isn't about that, it's about who controls a number of ports. There is no particular reason that we have to let this deal go to the UAE and personally I think we (as US citizens) are better off if it doesn't. I'm ignoring your characterization of my countrymen as "decadent" because I don't see that it is at all relevant to the discussion.

[cam427]

You said:

I dont think the IRA is comparable to Al-Qaeda.

I say: They are both terrorist organisations that use murder and terror as weapons.

You said:

Jerry Adams is a far cry from Osama Bin Laden

I say: Jerry Adams is the leader of the political wing not the armed wing of the IRA. Besides that, what major differences do you see? The headgear? They are both prepared to sacrifice the lives of others to achive their goals and if you think Gerry Adams has any less ill will towards the british soldiers in northern Ireland than you are mistaken.

You said:

According to a quick google search the IRA is responsible for less than 2,000 deaths over several decades, and they committed those crimes in their own country on their own turf.

I say: Al Qaeda is only responsible for a few thousand deaths also (9/11) and almost all of the IRA bombing campaigns were in the UK.

You said:

Even at their worst they weren't a direct threat to the USA.

I say: I agree with this statement and think that this was the heart of your message. You do not think the IRA is as bad as Al Qaeda because it does not effect you. This is the source of my irritation that you picked up on.

You said:

Sure, there is support for the IRA in England, but you're talking about the over-whelming minority of UK citizens. Can the same be said of the UAE?

I say: Almost definately. The majority of citizens everywhere do not support terror. The UAE is a very peaceful and wealthy country. While you may lump all arabs in the same bucket it is not actually the case. My wife was in Dubai recently (and many of the people I work with have also worked there) and found it a very nice place full of very nice people. Maybe secretly they want to bomb everyone... they are arabs after all

You said:

I'm sick of us making countries that tell us what we want to hear politically like Saudi Arabia and the UAE RICH on American dollars

I say: Bollocks. Buying something you desperately need from teh only person who has it is not doing them a favor.

I think I have summed up all of the points you made that I disagree with.

Cam

PS: The "decadent americans" was just to see if you would bite

[Tant01]

I'll take that one...

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PS: The "decadent americans" was just to see if you would bite

We are... not all of us because there are poor Americans too. But the "average" American garbage disposal eats better than about one third of the world...

[GonzoStyles]

the IRA dealt with the NAZI party to arm themselves if that isnt terroristic I dont know what is.

[Tant01]

Hope you feel better soon big guy!

[Tant01]

Priceless... and if you don't remember it tomorrow we can remind you... next week and next month, maybe next year! LOL Naahhh we wouldn't do THAT!!!

All the best.

[BoarSpear]

Those were the "make the muslims happy talking points" i mentioned early on its the ONLY thing i have have found so far to support the idea...bike week is 2 days and and wake up from startin ill post my findings before i dissapear for awhile...a week maybe 2 if im havin enough fun...depends on how many "fans" i "meet"