Flight 93: The Movie

[nutter]

Mate, I don't get it, what's suddenly so wrong with looking at something from both angles? These guys accumplished their basic aim. They were matyred for their cause. As an overall operation whereby four US jets were hijacked and crashed, was a massive success for Al Qeada. Do you disagree with that mate?

[Tom Yum]

Mate, I don't get it, what's suddenly so wrong with looking at something from both angles? If we want to work out whether the terrorists were successful in their general aim (i.e. victorious) then we need to consider what their aim was. These guys accumplished their aims. As a military operation the overall operation whereby four jets were hijacked and crashed was a massive success for Al Qeada. Do you disagree with that mate?

The first argument, whether the passengers on United 93 were heroic has been settled. They were indeed.

America needs heroes. Hollywood loves heroes. Makes a bitter pill easier to swallow

A few posts later, by your own admission....

There probably were heros aboard the flight, there so often are on all sides in any "combat"

The course of this argument has conveniently changed from whether or not the passengers on flight 93 were heroic to whether Al Qaeda was successfull on 9/11. Yeah they carried out what they intended.

We're not alone in this war on terror, mate. The threat on your country is as real as it is on ours.

I'm out.

[nutter]

No mate, we still don't know if Hollywood got it right about who was heroic and who wasn't, what eactly they did, and what the terrorists did right. The film is a fiction based on a real event but designed to paint a certain politically acceptable rather than historically accurate viewpoint. It's just like the Hollywood telling of Pearl Harbour or Enigma or Titanic.

[Tom Yum]

No mate, we still don't know if Hollywood got it right about who was heroic and who wasn't, what eactly they did, and what the terrorists did right. The film is a fiction based on a real event but designed to paint a certain politically acceptable rather than historically accurate viewpoint. It's just like the Hollywood telling of Pearl Harbour or Enigma or Titanic.

The facts of the real event are available.

That's part of the reason for starting this thread. Do a little research first, then go see the movie for the effects and entertainment.

Movies will allways be different than books or real life events; you take a situation and condense it down to a 90 to 120 minute story.

[nutter]

Just telling a story right. Well it’s more than that innit. It’s a telling of history that will define in the public imagination what did and didn’t happen on that day. It’s capitolising on a tragedy.

[Tom Yum]

It’s a telling of history that will define in the public imagination what did and didn’t happen on that day. It’s capitolising on a tragedy.

Either way I'm going to see the movie.

I'm also going to compare it to the information available.

Frankly I don't care if its abbreviated. People died on that plane, but atleast they weren't sheep about it and made the plane miss its target. Would you just give up if you were on that plane?

I think the passengers deserve to have a movie made about them.

[nutter]

Mate, of course a lot of the parents of those who died want the film made right. Everyone wants their son or daughter to be portrayed as a hero it's only natural innit. Go USA! Go USA! Go USA! let's bring on the cheer leaders. USA:1, Terrorists:0.

But the real truth of 911 when you step back and look at it right is that Al Qeada won that round big time. I truly wish they hadn't right, but changing people's perception of the events to emphasise the heroism of a few is in serious danger of missing the wider and truer lessons and truths. I'm not saying that those who died shouldn't be remembered and acknowledged, but no amount of heroism changes the overall truth. This movie is selective history, part of the truth expanded out of proportion. Collective consensual ignorance rules right.


And another thing that pisses me off is TV showing the footage of the people who jumped to their death from the World Trade Centre right. That was insensitive in my opinion but it makes good TV so they kept broadcasting it. And now all of a sudden the media is soooo interested in being sensitive to the victims' families that they heroise them in this film. Bullshit, the media is motivated by profit lines, their ethical stance changes to suit their pockets. It's captitalism at its ugliest innit.

[Tom Yum]

Mate, of course a lot of the parents of those who died want the film made right. Everyone wants their son or daughter to be portrayed as a hero it's only natural innit. Go USA! Go USA! Go USA! let's bring on the cheer leaders. USA:1, Terrorists:0. .

United 93 (and the rest of 9/11) was a tragedy. What was special about United 93 was the fact that these passengers, who were obviously under A LOT of pressure attempted a comeback.

The plane still crashed. They still died, but the terrorists had to bail early. The passengers weren't about to give those f@kers the pleasure of hitting what they wanted.

The parents, friends and relatives involved in this tragedy deserve the film, since they can't get their lost ones back.

Its called honoring those who make great sacrifices. I don't need to explain this. You get it or you don't.

This is one of the things that makes our country great. There are still people who honor great sacrifices.

And another thing that pisses me off is TV showing the footage of the people who jumped to their death from the World Trade Centre right. That was insensitive in my opinion but it makes good TV so they kept broadcasting it. And now all of a sudden the media is soooo interested in being sensitive to the victims' families that they heroise them in this film. Bullshit, the media is motivated by profit lines, their ethical stance changes to suit their pockets. It's captitalism at its ugliest innit.

Good t.v.? What the f@<*??

They played it because the event was real, a life changer for many. That seems to be the goal for some media outlets; to reflect on life. Its not like they suddenly asked for donations after showing the clips and then siphoned the money from charities into their own pockets.

There will be a whole generation of children without fathers because of the events that happened at 9/11.

You live here too. Show some respect, man.