see ya saddam

[Blue Wave Gym]

looks like someone is gonna be the guest of honor at a neck tie party real soon.

[Troll Virus]

One less Nutter in the world, but like you say; 'War never solves'.

[Garland]

Add that to the list of things "War never solves."

• Slavery in the US
• Hitler
• The attempted genocide of the Jews
• Moussolini
• Pol Pot

And now, Saddam Hussein.

No military firing squad for you, Saddam! Enjoy your new swing!

You should seriously be in the t-shirt/bumper sticker business. That is some classic shit. Mind if I use it?

[medic06]

Add that to the list of things "War never solves."

• Slavery in the US
  

Bad example. The rest were good though. Anyway, Hussein was an evil sunovabich and got better than he deserved. . . .

[Garland]

Bad example.

If you want to hear something related to continuing slavery going on in the US...give this a listen; "white slavery" by necro. Truly disgusting shit.

I found a link to the video...but it's WAY too rough to be put up here...on par with that Saddam execution film.

[jubaji]

Bad example. . .

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Why?

[Garland]

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Why?

Because slavery isn't solved in the US...it may be abolished, but it still goes on through illegal immigrants who are smuggled in from China, Eastern Europe, and Cuba...and basicly forced into slavery when they reach the states.
And through white slavery...
what do you think happens to a hefty portion of female kidnapping or missing persons cases. Sick shit.

[jubaji]

Because slavery isn't solved in the US...it may be abolished, but it still goes on through illegal immigrants who are smuggled in from China, Eastern Europe, and Cuba...and basicly forced into slavery when they reach the states.
And through white slavery...
what do you think happens to a hefty portion of female kidnapping or missing persons cases. Sick shit.

You're out of your fucking mind. The institution of slavery is long since gone in this country. By your way of thinking, as long as there is ever a case of kidnapping or wrongful restraint you can say "slavery" is alive and well. That is a monumental insult to those who truly suffered under actual slavery and those who died to end it. If you want to get excited about real slavery start looking at the Sudan, but don't dishonor history through hyperbole.

[Garland]

By your way of thinking, as long as there is ever a case of kidnapping or wrongful restraint you can say "slavery" is alive and well. That is a monumental insult to those who truly suffered under actual slavery and those who died to end it.

I wasn't referring to wrongful restraint. I get your point, and I get Brewer's meaning in the context (as an allowable and legal American enterprise and institution) he was talking about...but still...slavery does exist and is alive and well in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

http://www.humantrafficking.org/

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/09/23_16691.shtml

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa061202a.htm

Monumental insult? Here's how it happens...people from third world countries get taken in by people who promise to get them into the US, then are forced into labor or prostitution or are killed if they can't pay their dues...or somebodies runaway daughter is turned onto drugs, then gets kidnapped by the people feeding her the drugs, and ends up being forced into prostitution, or sold to the highest bidder and shipped out of the country.
I bet a good 15% of missing girls end up this way.

slavery is slavery.

[gregimotis]

You're out of your fucking mind.

Exactly.



I'm trying to come up with better reply but honestly, if you can't see the difference between Slavery and 'slavery', then there just isn't anything sensible a person can say to you.

Man Garland, I going to assume you just got caught up in a posting frenzy there 'cause you seem like a reasonably sensible guy in general.

[medic06]

Oh my sweet Jesus Humphrey Christ.

I would have hoped you all knew I was referring to slavery as a government-approved practice, not just as a massive criminal racket. Technically, Nazism, facism, and all of the other things I mentioned still exist in small measures and in the criminal background as well, but I think we can all agree that in fighting wars against Hitler, Moussolini, and the rest, we got rid of the prime government sources of these threats.

You know, a lot of people on these boards complain that we get carried away by semantics and details that aren't really relevant to the discussions, but it's stuff like the assertion that the whole "Emancipation Proclamation" and Civil War thing really didn't end slavery because criminals still traffic people that cause a lot of that nonsense.

Medic and Garland, can we at least agree that in the context I was using the example, fighting the Civil War and the victory of the Union did in fact end slavery as a government sanctioned industry? Can we agree that slavery is now the domain of criminals and criminals alone, and not official government policy or lawful entrepreneurs?

I thought it was the Thirteenth Amendent that abolished slavery, but I could be wrong.
Slavery was already on the way out due to the industrial revolution and the wage labor practices. The war merely sped up the proccess

[Garland]

Exactly.
I'm trying to come up with better reply but honestly, if you can't see the difference between Slavery and 'slavery', then there just isn't anything sensible a person can say to you.
Man Garland, I going to assume you just got caught up in a posting frenzy there 'cause you seem like a reasonably sensible guy in general.

No man...the civil war sped up ending slavery as an American institution, and yeah, I see the difference between the 400 years of opression and some girls getting picked up and sold into prostitution, and modern forms of human trafficking, because it's not condoned and it's not on the same scale.

BUT JUST BECAUSE IT ISN'T CONDONED BY THE GOVERNMENT, AND IT ISN'T BEING DONE TO A WHOLE RACE ON A MASSIVE SCALE...doesn't mean it's extinct. Slavery as a condonable American institution may be dead, but forms of slavery still exist in our society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafficking_in_human_beings

http://www.iabolish.com/

http://www.iabolish.com/slavery_today/primer/index.html

http://antislavery.eserver.org/contemporary/

[jubaji]

Well then I guess the Holocaust never ended because somewhere someone is killing a Jewish person right now. And the Crusades are still full-go because somewhere some person of European origin is living in his vacation home in Jordan. And etc. etc. etc.

meaningless...

[gregimotis]

Well then I guess the Holocaust never ended because somewhere someone is killing a Jewish person right now. And the Crusades are still full-go because somewhere some person of European origin is living in his vacation home in Jordan. And etc. etc. etc.

meaningless...

Russians still kill non-russians sometimes - therfore the Huns are at the gate.

There are felons in Australia therefore it's a penal colony

Alligators and turtles = teh dinosaurs still roam the earth! All your base are belong to us!!!

[Garland]

Well then I guess the Holocaust never ended because somewhere someone is killing a Jewish person right now. And the Crusades are still full-go because somewhere some person of European origin is living in his vacation home in Jordan. And etc. etc. etc.
meaningless...

No. The Holocaust was an attempt by a specific group of people to wipe out another specific group of people. GENOCIDE is still going on today, though. Anti-semitism is alive and well....but the holocaust is done.

The early, govenmentally condoned, enslavement of the African race is over...but SLAVERY isn't. Slavery doesn't just refer to pre-civil war American slavery...it encompasses a bunch of shit.