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  • How Marines Feel About Their Gear

    1) The M-16 rifle: Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the talcum powder-like sand over there. The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has jamming problems also. Marines like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round because of its poor penetration on the cinderblock structures common over there. Even torso hits can't be reliably counted on to put the enemy down.

    2) The M249 SAW (squad assault weapon), .223 cal. Drum-fed light machine gun: Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of junk. Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly (not fun in the middle of a firefight).

    3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Thumbs neutral. Good gun, performs well in desert environment; but Marines don’t like the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: They’ve seen bad guys hit multiple times but continue to fight.

    4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Thumbs up. The Marines use this weapon frequently for clearing houses with good effect.

    5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun, developed to replace the old M-60: Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down. Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.

    6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce" is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper, and the most coveted weapon in theater.

    7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there. Everybody who is authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get his hands on one. With few exceptions, this weapon can reliably be expected to drop the enemy with a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45's are being re-issued en masse.

    8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the sandy environment, and grunts love the 7.62 round.

    9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and accuracy, and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out vehicle suicide bombers (they’re actually stopping a lot of them) and barricaded enemy. Definitely here to stay.

    10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. A heavily modified Remington 700. Great performance. Snipers have been using heavily with great effect. Rumor has it that a Marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's record with over 100 confirmed kills.

    11) The newer body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs.and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as hell to wear, almost unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the B.S. about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in most cases.

    12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.

    13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are Surefire's, and the troops love them. Invaluable for night urban operations.

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    Thanks, I loved this post.

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    • #3
      The comp says I have to spread more reputation before I can pos-rep you, so here's public pos rep for your contribution.

      I may have some questions, later. In the meantime, I'll try to answer them myself.

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      • #4
        i play battlefield 2 a lot and i too am dismayed by the weapons given to our armed forces. how are weak 3 round bursts going to stand up against ak47s and ak 101s that just spray gunfire and blow craters through everything. this game rocks, check it out.....theres even two seater cobras and two seater aircraft lol. one player mans the aircraft while another can man weapons like the gattling under the nose of the cobra, tv guided missles, and laser guided bombs.

        [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quyEUjpdZN0[/YOUTUBE]

        [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t0PLLb4Cpw[/YOUTUBE]

        [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9N0J7mgLLA[/YOUTUBE]

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DickHardman View Post
          i play battlefield 2 a lot and i too am dismayed by the weapons given to our armed forces. how are weak 3 round bursts going to stand up against ak47s and ak 101s that just spray gunfire and blow craters through everything. this game rocks, check it out.....theres even two seater cobras and two seater aircraft lol. one player mans the aircraft while another can man weapons like the gattling under the nose of the cobra, tv guided missles, and laser guided bombs.





          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9N0J7mgLLA

          Wow glad you agree Based on your video game experience, I'd hate to have to tell the guys putting their lives on the line You disagreed with their assessment. I'm sure they'd be crushed. WTF man?? Have you NO respect??

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BoarSpear View Post
            Wow glad you agree Based on your video game experience, I'd hate to have to tell the guys putting their lives on the line You disagreed with their assessment. I'm sure they'd be crushed. WTF man?? Have you NO respect??
            you take things(yourself included) WAY too seriously. your wife must be a really kind woman to put up with your grumpy ass.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DickHardman View Post
              you take things(yourself included) WAY too seriously. your wife must be a really kind woman to put up with your grumpy ass.
              War is serious business. There are no quicksaves or bonus lives for the soldiers fighting in these conflicts overseas.

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              • #8
                As long as there are Woman, Money Issues and Power Issues there will be some type of War.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hardball View Post
                  As long as there are Woman, Money Issues and Power Issues there will be some type of War.
                  What if the woman is a milf?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tom Yum View Post
                    What if the woman is a milf?
                    Not sure what that means. I thought it was mother in law but you lost me with the "f".

                    Hey that reminds me and is still on topic---Have any of you ever been accused of looking at another man's girl. LOL. That happened to me last month at the market. And yes I was looking because she was hot. I never expected her boyfriend to approach me for looking. LOL. I just ignored him and put my closed fist into my open hand. LOL I'm sure many of skirmishes have been started over an jealous man.

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                    • #11


                      WDIB?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BoarSpear View Post

                        WDIB?
                        LOL.sorry Boar, we got a little off topic

                        Any reports on the M-203?

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                        • #13
                          Yea, thanks Yum for getting us back on topic--I'll pos rep you when the puter resets. LOL

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                          • #14
                            Hear Boar, what does the Geneva Convention say about American Miltary Shotgun barrell length and load?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hardball View Post
                              Hear Boar, what does the Geneva Convention say about American Miltary Shotgun barrell length and load?

                              Hehehe what do I look like the Supreme court?

                              The Hague convention (grandfather to the Geneva convention) is the one the Germans protested our use of Shotguns under in WW1.

                              In 1997 we issued directive DA-PAM 27-50-299

                              1. Capable of semiautomatic operation.
                              2. Capable of firing both standard Department of Defense (DOD) 2.75-inch, 12-gauge No. 00 buckshot, No. 7 1/2 shot, No. 9 shot, and slug ammunition,3 and 3.0-inch 12-gauge commercial ammunition conforming to Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) standards without adjustment to the operating system. The Marine Corps Systems Command is unaware of any DOD acquisition programs to procure and type classify 3.0-inch, 12-gauge ammunition for use by DOD components.
                              3. Have a maximum effective range of forty meters (fifty meters desired) with the DOD standard 2.75-inch No. 00 buckshot ammunition, and 100 meters (125 meters desired) with slug ammunition.
                              4. Have a length of 41.75 inches or less and be capable of being reconfigured to, and be operated at a length of, 36 inches or less.
                              5. Weigh no more than 8.5 pounds (six pounds desired) unloaded.
                              6. Be equipped with Low Light Level iron sights and a standard U.S. Military accessory mounting rail integral to the upper receiver, to permit use of other sight enhancement devices.

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                              All the dispute is lawyer speak...Nearly every Nation "employs arms, projectiles, or material calculated to cause unnecessary suffering."

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