chechen guerillas ambush russian special forces

[DickHardman]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2778889857563878135

[DickHardman]

guerillas ambush russian special forces again

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/246008/chechen_guerillas_vs_spetsnaz_gru/

[DickHardman]

crazy spetznaz video

its in russian though. lots of good footage.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94758

[Ghost]

you have to wonder though in the first video.
Who the hell decided to bring plastic cows for the map.

I mean did someone order someone to buy plastic cows especially for the map. Or did someone just have some lieing around and the commander thought it would help the map.

[DickHardman]

you have to wonder though in the first video.
Who the hell decided to bring plastic cows for the map.

I mean did someone order someone to buy plastic cows especially for the map. Or did someone just have some lieing around and the commander thought it would help the map.

you know whats funny ghost, i was just thinking about a little while ago. the footage might be disinformation. a lot of these videos are. they are interesting to watch though, even if they are complete propaganda.

[DickHardman]

Dick,
Have you read the book "Blowing Up Russia?" It's by Alexsander Litvienko and Yuri Feltshtinski. Yes, the same Litvienko that was poisoned by the Russian government for revealing secrets...

The book provides some substantiated opinion that Russia engineered the invasion of Grozny specifically to be a loss. It could be the same kind of conspiracy nutball stuff as those who say the US planned 9-11 against itself, but it also might have some credibility. It's worth a look.

Did you know that 14 of the tank crews sent into Grozny were specifically crewed with Chechen soldiers? Russia sent those tanks into Chechnya knowing they could not accomplish the primary goal (ostensibly) of capturing or disarming Dudaev's army, so the speculation is that the Russian government sent Chechens in to fight Chechens knowing they'd get wiped out and a war would be more justifiable in the eyes of the people.

I think it's exactly your kind of book, man. You should go pick up a copy.

thats pretty interesting mike. i hadnt heard about that incident before, however it was widely speculated that the apartment bombings that killed 300 in russia, which was blamed on chechen rebels and used as justification for the second war of chechnya, was also devised by russian intelligence in order to win public opinion in favor of invading chechnya again.

what happened, and is still happening in chechnya is like the lost horror of the world. unspeakable crimes have been and are being committed in that region, and nobody even knows about it or cares.

the government of russia is one of the cruelest and most corrupt.

[DickHardman]

btw mike, which books can you recommend on the issue of the industrial-military complex in regards to the ufo phenomenon, and how corporate america was able to come up with tons of innovations in technology from studying and analyzing pieces of machinery recovered from interplanetery spaceships/probes that routinely visit our planet, and the subsequent suppression of some of these radical technological advances??

[Ghost]

you know whats funny ghost, i was just thinking about a little while ago. the footage might be disinformation. a lot of these videos are. they are interesting to watch though, even if they are complete propaganda.

I think its a fake because of that. You ahve to think, they are out in some forest somewhere, someone actually stuck a bunch of plastic cows in his pocket for the map, its not likely is it.
Looks like some muppet thought thats how it would look. then again you never know. But if i was spetznas i would hardly be shaking in my boots at the accuracy of their battle map. "look they even know where all the cows are"
Not going to happen.