Your will to kill

[Tom Yum]

Considering the fact that I still have nightmares from time to time about the dead and dying that I've seen

Have you seen the new release of Dawn of the Dead?

Intense.

[medic06]

Have you seen the new release of Dawn of the Dead?

Intense.

Yup, I've seen it. Pretty comical. . .

[koto_ryu]

All I said was I think I can cross the line when the need arises.

Just because you think you can, doesn't mean you will be able to at the critical moment. It's a very sobering experience. You're basically ending the life of someone who might have a wife, kids, parents, brothers, sisters, etc. and affecting not just his life but everyone's life who knew him as well. It's not pretty to see someone die either, and depending on how you kill them has an effect on you as well. Many of us out in the war were throwing up after we killed the first few people we had to kill, as it's not a fun experience overall. It's usually the people that talk about it the most that lose their nerve right when the situation requires violence of action.

[JaredExtreme]

I think this is a good topic. I think we should all be ready to use lethal force if necessary.

A story that comes to mind happened two summers ago here in the Seattle area. Basically a physically huge drug addict was running around naked in a neighborhood threatening people, a cop arrived and pepper sprayed him but it had no effect. The addict somehow got the cop's gun and shot him to death. In a situation like this.... punching isn't going to make much of a difference, the guy probably wouldn't even feel an armbar in his drug induced rage, so sadly if the cop had whipped out his gun at his first chance instead of the pepper spray the story might have ended differently.

If it were me as an un-armed citizen in that situation, I think the only thing I would go for is a choke.... and to be honest I don't think I'd be letting go for a very long time......

[shuyun]

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[shuyun]

To all those who have been posting and discussing sensibly--thanks

meanwhile...

You are a comic book boy poser mouthing off based on nothing but your fantasies about yourself. All of which makes light of something that is very real and very serious.

By brushes with death I didn't mean almost getting hit by a car. I meant attempted muggings. (Or were they attacks from big ugly trolls?..hint hint )

By the way...boy I'm the one fantazized about I don't have to do it about myself.

In any case I've been mugged twice, and the first one that I've barely escaped from involved a surprise knife attack from behind (yeah I'm probably just making this up). somewhere along the melee, i was on the ground and he was leaning over me pointing that 8 inch kitchen knife at my gut putting in his whole body weight. His two other friends fortunately did not join the fray surpised that I was actually fighting back.

The second time around I was ambushed. One pinned me against a wall and another was behind him. I punched my way out and hit 3 people. the third one I think in retrospect was innocent or still maybe not, but since he came in during the heat of the moment I got his nose busted up. and they ran away

the second one felt different from the first. after the first I was just happy to be alive, in the second i wanted to finish it and see some blood. Common sense just told me that their running away could be tactical and they were getting either a weapon or reinforcements both of which wasn't in my posession at the moment. So I bailed out too.

You've been seeing to many trolls post that you assume everyone who makes a claim must be one too. And this isnt the first thread that YOU felt entitled to mouth off in

I'll comment on captain invincible as I see fit, and you can make whatever decisions you need to in order to protect the poor dear from stress. Wouldn't want to bruise the fragile ego, would we? see here

Aren't you a good little communist? here's more

and not the first time that someone felt the need to put you aside.

Jubaji, you are probably the one with no experience. And you seem to be a bit slow too, everyone is telling you to shut up, so just shut up.same page

and what was he fighting so passionately against? weight loss. wasn't that fun?

What have you been doing with your 1769 posts? Here's what. (and counting) In the links above you seem to be in love with one liners and with your nose picking finger. Does this have somethingto do with your childhood?

Hey guess what, I'm Brandon Lee's grandfather, no for real! Or do you want to flame that one too?

getting back to topic at hand

...just keep posting guys, i'd like to hear more from you. i was just a little side tracked.

[koto_ryu]

In any case I've been mugged twice, and the first one that I've barely escaped from involved a surprise knife attack from behind (yeah I'm probably just making this up). somewhere along the melee, i was on the ground and he was leaning over me pointing that 8 inch kitchen knife at my gut putting in his whole body weight. His two other friends fortunately did not join the fray surpised that I was actually fighting back.

So what, he stopped after that?

What have you been doing with your 1769 posts?

LOL another person trying to put down jubaji. Don't worry, J, we got your back

I'd hardly classify the second encounter as a life-or-death situation, three on one is no fun but if they weren't really trying to kill you I don't see how that could classify as a life-or-death situation. Try having AKs opening up from your flanks then tell me about life or death

[Tom Yum]

Yup, I've seen it. Pretty comical. . .

you must be into Fangoria...lol.

[Tom Yum]

It's not pretty to see someone die either, and depending on how you kill them has an effect on you as well. Many of us out in the war were throwing up after we killed the first few people we had to kill, as it's not a fun experience overall.

Not to mention recurring nightmares that I have heard from people who served.

I could kill...a really big turkey sandwhich on sourdough and swiss about now, but that's about it.

[Broadsword2004]

Well I know if it was in defense of my family, no question, the opposition would be dead.

But I have had some dreams where I was a soldier or a fighter and I had to fight or kill and I felt really bad afterwards so I think I would only be able to do it if absolutely necessary.

I think it depends though. I am reading a book about the 1st Marine Division's march to Baghdad, written by a two former Marines who traveled with them, and they said that many of the Marines who killed Iraqis felt bad about it, but they said that was because they were killing guys who had actually stayed to try and hold their position; he said if those guys had opened fire and hit a Marine, they would have been dead meat and the Marines might not have cared either way.

Also, they describe one tank officer who was standing outside a Humvee checking something, and a bullet struck the sidemirror right near him (the Iraqi couldn't shoot for beans). He turned, drew his pistol, and shot the Iraqi, "just like that."

So I think it depends on the person.

[Broadsword2004]

Not to mention recurring nightmares that I have heard from people who served.

I could kill...a really big turkey sandwhich on sourdough and swiss about now, but that's about it.

My father was in Vietnam and the whole group of guys he was with got killed, except for him and this one other guy. The area had been bombed, but he was in this lower underground area. It messed up his hearing. But anyhow the VC were looking for him. He gets those nightmares occassionally too.

[Broadsword2004]

Whups, I mean those Marines felt bad, according to the authors, because none of their fellow Marines had been wounded yet, and so THEY themselves were the only killers at that moment; but if the Iraqis had fired and hit a Marine and wounded him badly, they wouldn't have felt as bad about killing the Iraqis (according to the authors). The authors are Bing West and Major General Ray L. Smith (USMC Retired).

[jubaji]

LOL another person trying to put down jubaji. Don't worry, J, we got your back

LOL

I'm humbled by the support from the peeps! Just goes to show, it pays to be really, really annoying!

[shuyun]

LOL another person trying to put down jubaji. Don't worry, J, we got your back

I'd hardly classify the second encounter as a life-or-death situation, three on one is no fun but if they weren't really trying to kill you I don't see how that could classify as a life-or-death situation. Try having AKs opening up from your flanks then tell me about life or death

i'm posting it again since you missed it the first time.

the second one felt different from the first. after the first I was just happy to be alive, in the second i wanted to finish it and see some blood. [But]Common sense just told me that their running away could be tactical and they were getting either a weapon or reinforcements both of which wasn't in my posession at the moment. So I bailed out too.

oh did i mention that I was in their turf.

again you are missing the point. the thread is entitled "YOUR WILL TO KILL". You must be a whole lot more expereinced than I am, coz I only talk the talk; having faced off AKs opening up from your flanks and all that. You must be doing 3 on one encounters like hotcakes.

What's your point on YOUR will to kill O-sensei koto_ryu. Teach me your ultimate non lethal pacifying technique that I may see the error of my ways and respect all human life including those who fight me at knife point and seek to spill my blood on something as petty as an obsolete cellphone. that Imay remember that they have a family to go home to even though I probably will not see mine if they hae their way. Grace us with your infinite knowledge.

If not master, kindly remain in your tranquility until we can for ourselves fathom this great mystery.

[shuyun]

My father was in Vietnam and the whole group of guys he was with got killed, except for him and this one other guy. The area had been bombed, but he was in this lower underground area. It messed up his hearing. But anyhow the VC were looking for him. He gets those nightmares occassionally too.

This is exaclty what I'm talking about, being forced to kill because there is something to live for. Not killing in bloodlust just to satisfy one's ego.

That's tragic, how do you help him cope? How does he cope? Everyone does tell him that he was just doing his patriotic duty right? Or does he doubt that too?