how much pain can you take?

[Oraenor]

sadism-inflict pain =good
masochism- recieve pain=good

everybody has a little bit sadism or masochism
except ichi
he's 100% sadistic.

Its pretty disgusting when you think about it! Atleast it doesn't involve gags and straps but hey, you never know!

[gong fu]

the amount of pain i can take depends what type of mind state im in, i think its just state of mind wich controls your own pain barrier. and about you asking when is it time to give up well it all depends, if i was trapped and outnumbered then quitting is irrelevent its just i fight till im KO'd or dead. but if its a controlled fight like a ring match or when im training with my best friend, then if your losing and your getting really fucked up on the brink of permanent injury then you should shamefully give up in total disgrace of the bushido way .

[Garland]

the amount of pain i can take depends what type of mind state im in, i think its just state of mind wich controls your own pain barrier. and about you asking when is it time to give up well it all depends, if i was trapped and outnumbered then quitting is irrelevent its just i fight till im KO'd or dead. but if its a controlled fight like a ring match or when im training with my best friend, then if your losing and your getting really fucked up on the brink of permanent injury then you should shamefully give up in total disgrace of the bushido way .

...you REALLY are an idiot, huh?
Jesus...now I feel bad about ragging on you so much.
It's not your fault...I'm sorry. You didn't ask to be born with extra chromosomes.

[gong fu]

whys that?

[Garland]

losing and your getting really fucked up on the brink of permanent injury then you should shamefully give up in total disgrace of the bushido way .

in a controlled enviornment there is NO SHAME in submitting over the cost of injury. Total disgrace? I'm sure you may be familiar with that term in and outside of the arena of martial arts and combative sport.

Training is for training, not for ruining yourself.
You can keep your point of view...but trust me on this one...it is an outlook that will greatly shorten your career. You'll spend more time overall recuperating in a bed somewhere than in training or competition.

[Hardball]

hi all, im new here. great forum!

ive been practising for 20 over years and i have come to believe that pain and injuries, and the ability to endure them may be a big factor in deciding the outcome of a fight/match? anyone agree? most of the time, the emphasis it seems is to focus on one's skills/abilities/technical proficiency etc.
but the fact and reality of fighting remains - however good one is, if one does not have a high pain threshold, one will succumb quickly at the first sign of pain/injury/blood. so the question is, how does one handle pain?
is there a mental/physical training to withstand pain? how would you react to, say, a broken nose,teeth,a kick to the groin/ribs,a broken arm(armbar)?

the question is, will you/should one carry on fighting despite a bloodied face or simply surrender? (short of being KO-ed or choked out, that is

I say fight with impunity.

[gong fu]

yeah i do tend to injure myself alot, but i never rest in bed with injuries, ive never had an excuse where i say to myself, alright im too ill to be training, or im to injured to be training, ive trained with broken legs, arms, fractured skull, sprained ankles, i even trained once with a boo boo on my pinky toe, no joking i droped a 20 kilo plate on my fucking pinky toe that hurt more than breaking my leg, but yeah i try to push my bodys limits, but dont think i go overboard beyond human limitations, i always pull through to train again, i like the challenge of training with a headache or stomach ache or injury or when im ill, it makes it twice as hard.

[Sagacious Lu]

There's a difference between pain and injury.

This is the critical thing to consider. To me pain is just a sensation that is not necessarily dangerous, getting hurt is when your body is no longer able to function properly and your health is threatened. When training, or competing pain should be ignored (as much as possible) unless it means that you are seriously endangering your health. It's better to admit defeat than to lose anyway and lose weeks of training time while your bones heal because you were too proud to tap. At the same time push-ups are supposed to hurt and they're good for me so I do them anyway. I learned the hard way to listen to my body. A couple years ago I got into a stretching machine and decided I would just suck up the pain until I was capable of a full split. Well, I was completely unprepared for that and I almost seriously injured myself because I wasn't paying attention to the signs that I was pushing too hard. Fortunately I used common sense before I did much damage but I learned to respect my physical limitations. It all comes down to knowing when to train through pain and when it just isn't worth it.

[Timmothy]

Iam going to be honest with you guys, I thought I had a high tolerance in pain, I mean I am a big guy, 6'1 230; I played football as a D end since I was in 6th grade all the way until I was out of high school. I never got an injury or had a broken bone or anything sprained. I was a good wrestler. Then I started boxing. Frist time I sparred I got a front chipped tooth. Pissed me off more than anything, but it happen because I was just learning and didn't have very good defense. Then a few months later, I was sparring and had my partner looking like a fool for the fist part of my sparring session. But the second part was the FRIST time I have every really been hit I think, It was just a straight but it was right on the button, It didnt knock me out or down but I wanted to go down, but I went on trying to recover, but it was just so hard. I made it threw the second part of the session, but I was in survial mode the whole time. That one punch right there made me think, do I have a weak chin. That hit made me stop showboating and made me always keep my hands up lol...But it made me question my tolerance to pain for the first time...

[Xtschneider]

I don't know about other people, but I think training and defending myself brings out my masochistic side. Along the lines of getting punched in the face, spitting the blood out of your mouth and saying to the person attacking you, "You hit like a B****" That being said, It makes me feel like I've learned something for every time i've been hit, I learn how i've been hit, and how not to recieve pain in that way again.

But, don't be a fool. As someone else said, there is a difference between pain and injury. I consider it moronic to keep going after any break besides a knuckle nose or toe. If I get a broken arm, i'm stopping unless my life is endangered.

[Art of Soccer]

I don't have a high pain tolerance, and I get squeemish at the sight of blood... but I've fallen out of trees and down ravines and entire sets of hardwood stairs because my brother gave me a little nudge... and still have managed to come away without a broken bone.

I think I'm clumsy, but a natural faller... I just roll with whats coming to lessen the damage.

I kinda like it on the ground anyways... it's comphy on my back.

[bbbb]

"Very commonly in that kind of situation the only way to put a quick end to that kind of confrontation is to put them to sleep with a choke."

....and then they get back up again.....

It's definately a mindset thing."A Cultural thing", is interesting. I've cetainly been told that a punch in the head doesn't hurt! It does, after some mental digestion, somewhat empower you?!?

[kwai chang pain]

This is a great thread guys!! What amazes me is the mental side of pain like so many of you mentioned. I think that's the main reason that "intercepting" your opponent is so effective. Every time they try to attack you, you put THEM in pain.

I broke one of my toes while sparring once. I didn't have on the right size footgear and crushed it on another guys elbow while throwing a roundhouse kick. It hurt pretty bad but I was able to finish the round.

I think getting hit in the head is another story though. I've heard that part of the reason for that is because a lot of people have weak neck muscles. I read somewhere about how big Evander Holyfield's neck is. Maybe that's why.

[budo]

i've always found that things hurt more when praticing techniques, if your mates going to put a lock on you, you know it's going to hurt your brain goes "oh shit this is going to hurt" and surprise surprise it hurts, however when sparring or fighting i've found that the pain is a lot duller i think this may have something to do with adreanelan(excuse spelling) and mind set, as you are focusing on something else your not really worried about getting hurt your intent on causing hurt. I've also found that some people hurt worse in different area's for some reason, and the more i train the greater my pain threshold seems to become, maybe i'm getting used to it, or maybe the nerves are just dying.

[bigred389]

Pain is a warning system for your body.

Conditioning and training exist to overcome those "early warning" presets so to speak.
Kinda like how it "hurts" when you run...you're physically capable of pushing on, but your body really doesn't think you should.

However, at some point, pain stops being early warning, and becomes an imminent danger or "system failure" kind of signal. The key is to keep it from getting there, and recognizing the difference. I slipped while drunk off my ass yesterday and banged up both knees/shins, leaving large bruises. It hurts like a ##### but it's clearly not indication of any serious danger.