Iron Fist or Iron Palm in UFC

[Sagacious Lu]

It sounds pretty good. It makes sense that you have to take it with a grain of salt, but then again there's something to be said for a good story. I'm not surprised that he isn't very well known either. When you think of how many Chinese immigrants have come to America over the years it's amazing that no one here ever heard of kung fu until Bruce Lee made it famous. There were so many Chinese Americans that there must have been countless people quietly practicing it for years without anyone ever noticing. I'll have to check this out when I'm done with "Outlaws of the Marsh".

[gong fu]

you still havent read the the Wandering Taoist, have you i told you before that kind of fight already happenend

nah i havent read it yet still, i will get around to it though, maybe i will ask my wife for it for x mas, im low on cash around this time of year, too much x mas gifts to buy for people, i will probably have it just after christmas time if i have to give it a date,




oh and jubaji, you critisize so much man and yu havent got experience in our ways of conditioning yet you judge, i learned not to prejudge iron wrapped in cotton is decieving my friend dont let it fool you one day,


i accept benefits from all styles forms and methods of training, you maybe are the one who might be brainwashed, hollywood debunking chinese fighting systems with mystic crap, and special effects, and tales of old masters flying around and killing people without touching them and all that fantasy, its nice for story telling though,


bare fisted boxing i would prefer to watch but i dont like the idea of killing for sport, testing strength and ability int he ring is good aslong as theres no brain damage or permenent injury, i train different to 95% of the people here, i dont train for the ring atall, weapons training, real sparring no gloves guards etc, forms, conditioning, stamina, wieghts, stretching, stance holding, mental training, water slapping, iron methods, candle training, alot of outdoor taiji/baguazhang, running, strap on weight training, and some other things,

the ring has limits real fights dont, i think styles are subjective when it coems down to "what is better" on the street your style dont mean shit, just make sure you train with realism, weapons training real sparring situatins etc, in the ring it might favour grapplers, but grapplign on the street dosent work liek it does int he ring, how are your going to grapple someone with a sword, or big choppa, i wouldent fight someone with a knife untill i run awat and get a weapon bigger than his, and yes bigger does matter and ofcourse skill does, but me and my training partners do realistic weapons training, we have bo staffs, bokens of all types training sticks, and we coat them in meterial to make them a bit softer, then we train outside on the street, going all out with the weapons no holding back what so ever, yes we do get injured but nothing permanent so far and we have done it for many years, and as the years have passed and the skill level increased we learned something, size matters, its all about speed form and distance when it comes down to weapons fighting, and the 12 ft staff/spear, training weapon we have beats the katana hands down, we even do 2 on 1, 2 swords Vs the spear/staff, and the spear is deadly it can fend off multiple atackers, even skilled ones, and fighting with a knife or a short sword against the staff/spear is another story, its near impossible to get hits in, we use sai s aswell, they are ok at defending against a katana (thats what they were created for in okinawa japan the peasants used them to fend offf samurais i think, they dont do to well against the staff/spear though,


if your good with a spear or a staff could you please post on my new thread im opening about it pleae, any comments or posative feedback is good,


peace.

[jubaji]

who says I haven't?

oh and jubaji, you critisize so much man and yu havent got experience in our ways of conditioning yet you judge,

What I'm judging is you making outrageous claims. You can't tout the benefits of a given form of training without going to comic book land?


Deadly hands of IRON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't overdo it, and you will find a wider audience for your information.

[gong fu]

What I'm judging is you making outrageous claims. You can't tout the benefits of a given form of training without going to comic book land?


Deadly hands of IRON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't overdo it, and you will find a wider audience for your information.

i wasnt aware you didnt know the reasons for forms and stance holding,

it builds up practical muscle memory, different stances give different results, horse stance is very good for your posture, and setting muscle memory in perfect body form around your bones and help your internal organs, it also improves your lower body alot, and all forms and stances are great mental training, you feel alot more burn doing stance holding even more than lifting wieghts, try just going into a regular horse stance then hold your arms out to your side but leave your palms facing upwards, see howlong you can hold it for, then everyday try to beat your last record, and see the overall improvement in about 3-4 weeks, seriously try it man im just trying to give you some good tips test them for yourself and see if you can benefit from them also,

peace.

[kuk sool won]

Gong Fu i find it hard to beleive you do all this training everyday, where do you find the time? Your always telling people what you can do and when you do it. Do you work? How do you support your family? Do you have a social life? Sorry if this sounds like a uninvited question about your personnal life but i don't know how people have so much time to do all this training, im lucky if i can do 1 1/2 hours a day sometimes...

[jubaji]

i wasnt aware you didnt know the reasons for forms and stance holding.

Who said I didn't?

[pstevens]

you feel alot more burn doing stance holding even more than lifting wieghts

That would be because you are not lifting correctly, or not increasing your weights. Either way, this statement is completely absurd along with your claims.

[BoarSpear]

That would be because you are not lifting correctly, or not increasing your weights. Either way, this statement is completely absurd along with your claims.

so how long can you hold the horse stance for?....you do hold it right? for at least 10 minutes at a time? have you EVER held ANY static posture that long?
Or are you just spouting more shit because you KNOW the TMA suck?

I have done quite a bit of both and i have to agree with gong fu, static posture holding has burned more and longer than any burn from lifting....the burn is from lactic acid build up ....lactic acid is a byproduct of muscles working....try the Iron Butterfly...tell me that isnt work.....then tell me about burn.

[pstevens]

so how long can you hold the horse stance for?....you do hold it right? for at least 10 minutes at a time? have you EVER held ANY static posture that long?
Or are you just spouting more shit because you KNOW the TMA suck?

I have done quite a bit of both and i have to agree with gong fu, static posture holding has burned more and longer than any burn from lifting....the burn is from lactic acid build up ....lactic acid is a byproduct of muscles working....try the Iron Butterfly...tell me that isnt work.....then tell me about burn.

Do squats, ever increasing the weights... Deep burns and safer levels of lactic acid... Any soreness that results after 2 days is simply muscles soreness, not lactic acid. If you're feeling lactic acid burns hours after your work out, you may be dead or facing serious injury.

[Sagacious Lu]

That would be because you are not lifting correctly, or not increasing your weights. Either way, this statement is completely absurd along with your claims.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, and it's obvious to everyone but you. I just thought I'd clue you in to that.

[pstevens]

You really have no idea what you're talking about, and it's obvious to everyone but you. I just thought I'd clue you in to that.

While you're at it, why don't you look yourself in the mirror and repeat: "my golden eagle horse stance can topple mountains."

Try it... It's quite theraputic for people who are not in touch with reality.

[BoarSpear]

Do squats, ever increasing the weights... Deep burns and safer levels of lactic acid... Any soreness that results after 2 days is simply muscles soreness, not lactic acid. If you're feeling lactic acid burns hours after your work out, you may be dead or facing serious injury.

gong fu said burn, not DOMS (delayed onset of muscle soreness). YOU in your desire to spread hate of TMA jumped in and started screaming....now youre trying to change the argument to one you think you can win....youre also being a dumbass by building your defense on something you said, not gong fu or I.

So you avoided the question....ever held any static postures for 10 minutes?

i know how to squat...and sissy squat...i used to follow Tom platz's leg routines.

[BoarSpear]

Anyway, back to topic. Ironpalm/fist dont make much difference once you put on gloves. Gloves screw up the angles you spent YEARS learning...they also change the way you deliver the strike. Virtually all ironpalm/fist training is to develop arcing or cannon strikes, neither of those work with gloves on.

the techniques were developed to allow FIGHTING without wrapping the hands for protection....the gloves dont enhance an ironpalm mans skills they detract from them...if you are fighting a boxer who trains wearing gloves he is gonna beat your ass while wearing gloves....outside the ring, no gloves and no rules the ironpalm guy has the advantage. The ironpalm guys hand will be faster he can hit harder without fear of injuring his hands and he has angles a boxer never concieved. the boxer on the other hand has common weapons we all know (or should) and cant unload for fear of destroying his weapons...imagine multiple opponents and you break your hand on the first one

[blitz]

That guy has one ugly body.

[pstevens]

gong fu said burn, not DOMS (delayed onset of muscle soreness). YOU in your desire to spread hate of TMA jumped in and started screaming....now youre trying to change the argument to one you think you can win....youre also being a dumbass by building your defense on something you said, not gong fu or I.

So you avoided the question....ever held any static postures for 10 minutes?

i know how to squat...and sissy squat...i used to follow Tom platz's leg routines.

Well, here's the problem with your logic. During the process of a squat, you assume stances which at times are deeper than a horse stance, while carrying significantly more weight. Because you can perform the squat in intervals, you can actually do it longer, and by increasing increments of weight, it produces more burn.

I've studied Choy Lit Fut for a short-period and stance training was very essential. At no time can I remember any of it being more physically demanding than doing squats. To believe otherwise is pure fantasy.