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    Flip Weapon arts and Spaniards

    High guys and gals. I am into WMA (Western Martial arts) and am just getting into talhoffer's longsword and have been messing around in with 17th century millitary saber. I have just starts learning FMA (and love it) and find that all its parries and guards are similar, almost exactly the same, to all the millitary saber guards. I knew it was influenced by the Spanish, but I did not expect to find such a coehesion with my saber style. Of course there are the differences in weaponry, one uses a stick or any of the various filipino blades differently due to their being shorter and lighter. But many of the core techniques seem to be interchangeable. The main difference is the foot work. Saber footing has much of the wait back and the off hand is not such a factor so it is held back out of way. Though it is used in saber techniques but not as extensively as in Kali.

    So what I want to know who all out there has seen this connection or others and has or wants to branch out into perhaps some non filipino weapons?

    Also what is the longest flip. blade that you have seen? The longest I have seen usually look like a klewang (sp? the angular head hunting type swords) that get up to about 24 inches long in blade.
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    terminology

    The use of the term, 'flip' has derogatory meaning to many Filipinos.

    It stands for "f**king little island people".

    So your comment:

    "Also what is the longest flip. blade that you have seen?"

    Is altered in many people who know what that term stood for.
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    Of course there are similarities in any sword arts because the actual act is to separate the separables or to puncture. There's only so many ways to do that to another human.

    When it comes to reality and physical harm occuring- the similarities in movements become even greater because the fine motor drill elements are reduced.

    No actual footage of Talhoffer exists so the engravings may even be closer than what is shown in a static drawing.

    --Rafael--
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    • #3
      oops sorry

      Didnt know that. I just thought it was short for filipino. Will discontinue the use of the word asap. I had a roomate in college that was filipino and he didnt mind the term and didnt say anything about it being derogatory. But thanks for telling me, I would rather not sound like a bigot whenever possible.

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        Well I'm Filipino...and I can speak for many of us Filipino's who aren't offended...I haven't met a single Filipino who was offended by the term. Actually, the term flip stands for "Fine Looking Island People" lol...so yeah...most of us aren't offended one bit lol.

        Originally posted by Shawn Duncanson
        Didnt know that. I just thought it was short for filipino. Will discontinue the use of the word asap. I had a roomate in college that was filipino and he didnt mind the term and didnt say anything about it being derogatory. But thanks for telling me, I would rather not sound like a bigot whenever possible.

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        • #5
          LBFM on the other hand...

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          • #6
            all depends who you ask.. for me it depends how it's bein used. better to be safe though brah.

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              Derogatory term

              No sweat Shawn- just wanted to give you a heads up. The term has lost much of its origins since not many people know about its history. There was even a comic book character in the likes of Sambo done in the twenties by Windsor Mc Kay called Flip in the popular early 1900 comic strip Little Nemo. What many folks do not realize was that Windsor McKay was a very well known political illustrator of that time period and he would draw Filipinos as the grass skirted balloon lipped brownies with a bone in their hair with not much sense. He probably never met one in real life. This was during the the "White Man's Burden" era. Often they were depicted as target practice or as nameless corpses to be tread upon to "Benevolent Assimilation".

              Much of his work detailing Filipinos was to demonize them in the press. Thanks to great writers like Mark Twain who disagreed with this viewpoint, a dissenting voice was heard in the mass media.

              --Rafael Kayanan--
              Sayoc Kali
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