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What the dog brothers have taught me in just one night..ONE night, I say..

after at least 6 years of practice on my own, I have already learned in one night:

1: My sticks are too small, too thin, and too light. Yes, they are dense and heavy, but they are not fighting sticks.
2: My hits are too weak. I have powershots, but after watching top dog, I have a new respect for how power can be a part of one's skill..and they are not contradictory ideas. I think I thought speed and power were opposites, but that's not so in boxing or wrestling, so why would it be here?
3: It's perfectly fine to rechamber all the way til my hand touches my neck, stick over my shoulder. I'm not sure my instructor ever once taught me this. we were more into keeping the stick blocking the path of the enemy..
4: Erik showed me how to do triangle footwork like noone else ever has. seeing his flow makes it all make even more sense.
5: Stick size matters.
6: Erik's fight movement is awesome..and gives me an example to follow I didn't have before.

These are huge developments for me..
Great thanks to the teacher..
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  • #2
    Cool!!!

    I going to order mine next week & I'm ordering them directly from the Dog Brothers!
    You are right about guys who hit other with sticks deserve the money more than those lame Panther p***ies.
    I still ticked they shut down PlanetNHB video review site!
    Please give more reviews while I wait for mine to come in!

    Rock On!!!
    -Badger

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    • #3
      power

      yeah, reach out & power-shot someone.

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      • #4
        Wussup quietanswer,

        I have a few comments.

        1: My sticks are too small, too thin, and too light. Yes, they are dense and heavy, but they are not fighting sticks.

        The thin sticks you are talking about may not be good for a DB match. But in a real fight, when you don't wear a helmet and gloves, and you actually want tp put the guy in the hospital, a thin arnis stick will do just fine.

        Remember, it is not the carpenter's tools that makes him a great carpenter, it is the carpenter himself.

        3: It's perfectly fine to rechamber all the way til my hand touches my neck, stick over my shoulder. I'm not sure my instructor ever once taught me this. we were more into keeping the stick blocking the path of the enemy..

        This is not a good technique to use if you are not a good player. The moment you rechamber your stick to the above mentioned position, you put yourself at a disadvantage. True, you are chambered for a caveman strike, but you have sacrificed defense for your lower extremities in exchange for a powershot that can be read like a comic book.
        There are plenty of players out there who possess the reflexes to capitalize on a situation like this.

        It is good technique to keep your stick in front of you or as close as possible to a direct attack. KEEP YOUR STICK IN FRONT OF YOU.

        When you chamber your stick in caveman or #1 position, your opponent can easily read your intentions. The possible angles of attack become dangerously obvious, and your opponent if good enough, will move into close range, use their checking hand to jam or trap your caveman chambered hand, and follow up with a clean strike to your face.

        This is not true for every situation, but it is best that you keep your stick in front of you, and chamber to a caveman strike only for the millisecond it takes to release the strike.

        I also suggest you chamber to caveman if you are good at baiting or faking your opponent.


        3. Stick size matters...

        Not always the case. I have seen some guys fight with short skinny serrada sticks against guys who insisted that their big sticks were superior to the skinny little twig. Perhaps the big sticks were superior to the little stick, but the guy with the little stick was a better fighter and once he got into close range without getting hit, he used the punyo unlike anybody I have ever seen.

        Also, when you strike your opponent, you use the tip of the stick to bust his skull open not the belly of the stick.

        It is never size of the stick, but the size of the skill in the fighter that really counts.

        I speak from experience.



        [Edited by Balisong on 11-02-2000 at 05:07 AM]

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          • #5
          Balisong, you the man.

          I had wondered how much the dog brothers ideas were tempered by the way they fight.

          I had also wondered if a smaller stick might work fine in a non-dueling, ungloved/unhelmed situation..

          In a sense, what you just typed interfaced my instructors teaching with the dog brothers teaching. And that I appreciate, as it's removed some of the babble from my head.

          I hate when my head babbles at me.

          Thanks for the time you spent typing that.

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          • #6
            I think this all depends on the venue. For light bladed weapons, keeping the weapon in front is paramount - look at fencing. It takes little force to do damage and a small opening could cost you your life.

            With heavy sticks, a wide chamber makes it easier to hit hard, and maybe possible to hit harder than otherwise. This is the arena that evolved the Dog Bros. I note that quiet didn't say "chamber", but "rechamber" - I assume that means it was immediately preceeded & followed by shots. This makes the telegraphy less important (but not unimportant).

            Somewhere in the middle are light sticks. Faster, but weaker. I'd personally prefer a heavier stick for SD, but it's moot - I don't carry one anyway. I think that one shot knockout is more likely with a heavier weapon, but of course it depends on the individuals in question, as always. IMO the punyo isn't a great example - stick weight is much less a factor in that strike.

            There isn't a right or wrong here - the differences are evolutionary due to the training. The problem is, what's more related to YOUR training style, SD/competition needs, etc.

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            • #7
              Balisong, wish I could write a little more, but I got caught up writing a rather lengthy post somewhere else, and another one on a different thread here that may be applicable to some of this. If someone knows which one it is and finds it before I do it, feel free to post it as a quote from me and which thread it was originally on. Gotta run, but Balisong, could you expend a little more? Talk later, guys.

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              • #8
                Chad,

                quiet wrote "rechamber" and I assumed he meant fighting from a fixed Caveman chamber. My bad.

                As for what I was saying,

                Basically, if an amateur is playing against a professional and the fight goes to close range, the amateur who chambered to a fixed caveman fighting stance as opposed to 'rechambering' for a follow up strike, basically sets himself up for a killing blow.

                In long range if right handed the amateur is chambered in caveman, his right knee is an easy target, but if the amateur is actually a professional he would simply move his knee out of the way and once the opponent misses, capitalize on the opening that will be presented.

                I just don't consider it wise to chamber in Caveman unless your opponent is inferior to you in skill.

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                • #9
                  Agreed. I love fighting with someone that sticks his stick on his shoulder as his stance. James is fast on his feet though and has a nice drift shot that comes down toward your eagle wing/roof deflection/whatever and then drops his whole body and swing and target to the leg. This has really taught me to close with a low eagle wing/roof deflection/whatever and bring it up to 'explode' into it at the last moment. Thanks Balisong. Oh, yeah, something about the chamber/rechamber that can work as well is the broken or Pekiti Tirsia Reverse strike.

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                  • #10
                    what the dog brothers

                    To balisong,once you reach a level of skill,there is no belly or point on a stick.Any contact point is the point.Wherever you go there you are.

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                    • #11
                      Mark Fox,

                      "Any contact point is the point.Wherever you go there you are." Yup. That is all true.

                      "once you reach a level of skill,there is no belly or point on a stick" What are you talking about? I would really like to know what you mean.

                      There are many techniques out there when the belly is used as a block and strike at the same time, but I don't think that's what you're talking about. The top 3 inches are the tip of the stick and everything below is something else.

                      "level of skill"?????? Are you talking about fighting with bolos? Because if your are talking about fighting with bolos then I see your point. But if you are talking about sticks, then I disagree with you.

                      If you're hitting with the belly of the stick while in long range, then you're too close. If you hit with the belly of your stick in medium range then you hit the wrong target. If you hit with the belly of your stick in close range then you need more practice so you can rise above the skill level where you employ sloppy technique and hit with the belly of the stick.












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