Is JKD all it's cracked up to be? Is JKD really affective?

[ap Oweyn]

good question.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

Hey, Ap, what's up?

[Sphinx]

One of you said that u saw jkd lose in a fight to submission.

SO....

The ufc has changed alot over the years and alot of rules have been taken out and others put in. There are many restrictions in the ufc. JKD teaches people to use the best form of an attack in the situation this may involve picking a log or bottle up of the floor. i dont see any of this in the ufc.

Also, another question, how many of you would actually ever use a submission move if they were attacked on the street or in a bar.

SUBMISSIONS ARE USED TO WIN COMPETIONS NOT BAR BRAWLS OR TO STOP YOU FROM GETTING MUGGED.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

"sport fighters" also know how to pick up bottles...

"Also, another question, how many of you would actually ever use a submission move if they were attacked on the street or in a bar."

Depends on the situation, but a good choke is a sure fire way to put someone unconscious even if they're high on drugs, etc. If you can't breath you lose consciousess. You don't always have to be on the ground to choke someone out either.
Depending on certain situations you may only be legally justified in submitting a person, especially if the person attacking you poses no real threat. I've been in several fights like that.

A better question is how many of you have actually been attacked on the street, mugged, or in a bar? Did it "go down" the way you always pictured? Probably not.
Self-defense in bars (if you avoid bars you avoid probably 90% of your fights) and on the street where people approach you, get in your face, etc. is all about de-escalation, pre-emptive strikes, firepower, and escape tactics.

[yenhoi]

ryu is jkd!

For me, "claiming" to be JKD is just an easy way to start explaining what it is I do.

JKD is only a name, a refrence point, nothing else.

[ap Oweyn]

Originally posted by Ryu (JKD?)
Hey, Ap, what's up?

hey ryu,

always good to see a familiar 'face.'

[crazyjoe380]

i've been choked out for almost 40 secs in an reverse naked choke by a security guard at city walk. i didn't pass out and i was still fighting him.. it was the strenth of the vodka i think.. boosted my adrenaline.. not sure..

[yenhoi]

How were you fighting him from the rear naked choke, were you both standing, who was taller, bigger, were you drunk or just had a little, have you ever actually been choked to blackness?

curious

[crazyjoe380]

i kept moving my head left and right but there was a point where he had me but i didn't pass out.. i was pointing at my throat and basicly saying.. "hey f.ucker i can't breath let me go" .. no he got me.. this was at a public place.. they sterio typed me and began to harass me and they attacked. **** CIty walk ..

[yenhoi]

If he had it and you did not pass out after 40 seconds then he probably didnt have it.

Or you have abnormally strong neck muscles. Also trying to talk could have played a role as you were probably clinching your jaw and using your tongue and straining your neck to move from side to side and remain standing - all these things increase the tension of the muscles in your neck and help resist being choked.

Who knows.

A properly done choke, when you "have it", makes the guy pass out.

[crazyjoe380]

i think i felt like passing out but the alchohol didn't let me.. it gave me more power to fight.. wierd s.hit

[Sean J]

With the right grip - which is rather strangulation than a choke - the guy should start feeling groggy after about 5 seconds. 40 seconds and you'll probably be facing the grand jury afterwards. Nevertheless, if the other guy is on drugs it is probably your best option.

[robertlee]

Re: Is JKD all it's cracked up to be? Is JKD really affective?

Originally posted by crazyjoe380
this is no way a disrepect to jkd i'm just bring up a thought and some questions..


will jkd be as good as it was suppose to be, seeing that bruce lee isn't around to correct everything.. the mistakes, the errors, the way things are done.

i've seen jkd represented in ufc and it lost to ken shamrock. it won some fights but he went to the ground and did some submissions.. no jkd was used.

bruce lee was fast, his way of the intercepting fist theory was good but not all students can do it. how many jkd students can really be as fast as him.. so is jkd as effective as when bruce was alive? is it affective against other martial artists? from what i have seen...

no..

i have seen jkd represented and they all lost so my question is... who teaches jkd? how is it passed on? jkd is a mixture of all styles? simualar to ninjitsu? grappling, stand up, weapons, ... etc..

i hasn't impressed me so far when it performed in the ufc.. so whats the deal?

JKD if the person has studied it is a path torwards self discovery the tools are as bruce developed but he encouraged other aspects towards understanding look into jujistu boxing and find what is useful to the person that is personal jkd but jkd is first handed down at or near the format that bruce developed how well it is taught is by the instructor how well it is understood is the student and how well it is used is the person the ufc has changed since it first exposed the weakness of not remaining comfortable with grappling but the grappler found you have to be more rounded also or fall behind the ring has rules the streets have none JKD can be very useful if the person can use there tools just as all the arts are no good if you do not understand how to use the tools we all learn to improve some better than others you know what you know and do what you can do and improve as we learn more of our strengths and weakness I like to think I know nothing so I can learn something a never ending discovery I think JKD asks this of the person as well of any thing that is to be learned

[Brokenmace]

To box in JKD as any style is a rejection of its primary principle: "No way as way; no limitations for limitation"

Even a non-martial artist can practice JKD. Michael Jordan is a JKD practitioner, though he probably has no idea what the term means. JKD is about self-actualization, the ultimate expression of the self through physical, mental, and cultural means.

A person who is only a good father can be a JKD practitioner. If he raises a child to be a valued member of society he has used his own self-expression to benefit the world and himself.

Don't get it confused with kicking and punching. Certainly the principles Bruce Lee articulated were martial principles. But these were merely physical manifestations of ultimate self-expression. There are vehicles (principles) that use other vectors as an objective, such as: sports, medicine, polotics, rhetoric, literature, music, and even love.

The Kama Sutra is a JKD document. Following its teachings allows for an ultimate expression of phsyical love.

JKD is about ultimate, efficient, self-expression.

What is ultimate for one generation (strategies and techniques) is not necessarily so for another. Therefore asking about JKD's performance in a venue such as UFC is baseless, really. JKD is not found in the performer, rather in the performance. All martial principles that seek to increase efficiency and lead to expression of the self are JKD. This includes BJJ's teaching on leveraging strong body placement against weak body placements. BJJ is JKD.

So there

[robertlee]

JKD to look at its truth was defined in martial art base to say jkd is all things one must be mistaken Bruce Lee never taught the student to climb the tree was jkd yes jkd is a non classical combat modified gung fu system where the art of selfdefence is the goal to understand thru the tools aquired there they can be carried on to other aspects of the persons life and coping skills but everthing you do is no way jkd just your personal daily life activity and the tools that one learns will only work for that person as well as they can use them I would not learn basketball if I wanted to learn jkd but I may use jkd as a vehicle to help me improve on learning basketball but basketball would still just be basketball and jkd will still be the aproach bruce lee used to express and teach his idea of the martail arts not to be fussed over