rear chokes

[stealthx]

how effective are rear chokes when used on the street, or should you just stick to strikes to take the person out?

[Thai Bri]

It all depends on the circumstances.

Chokes (and strangles) can take a little time to become effective, which may impair your ability to deal with other attackers.

Also you may kill someone in the heat of the moment, but I suppose that happens with striking techniques too.

Are you talking a standing choke or rolling around on the ground? Ground grappling is not best ever for a real fight.

But I have heard people say they are a great tool. A bouncer I have met uses them as a surprise tactic and gets a partial KO quickly. He finds that this knocks the fight out of people and they don't know whats happened. For some reason they then want to be friendly and leave the club like good little boys.

[stealthx]

A rear choke with you standing up, with the person being choked leaning back and off balance (legs kicked out or knees buckled etc). I have also heard that they make for a quick KO, but am worried about its effectiveness, (being eye gouged from the rear, or if a person alot stronger or larger can break free and strike u).

[Thai Bri]

You have to be pretty good at it to make it work. Like most techniques!

[jukado1]

carated choke!

a properly exacuted carated (rear) choke is one of the most effective and safest moves available, i've hit people with good punches, and had them look at me with a look that says, "keep that up and i'm going to get mad". but every time i used a properly done choke, they took a time-out like a good boy. and in a minute or less woke up with no injurys or damage. with a punch there is always a chance of injuring someone.

[JKDfreak]

But beware of using carotid chokes.As it cuts the air off,so that he can't breathe anymore,you can easily break his carotid area (arteries,bones) and kill him.That's why blood chokes are more usefull and more effective because it takes less time to knock him out and it is safer.

[jukado1]

chokes!

sorry, there seems to be some confusion, the carotid artieries on the side of the neck carry oxygon to the brain, the windpipe choke cuts off the air to the lungs and is much slower and more dangerous to the chokie, the prefurred choke would be to the side of the neck, sorry if my post caused any confusion

[IPON]

Types of chokes:

Blood: Choke to restrict blood (oxygen) from carotid artery to brain.

Oxygen: collapsing the Trachea (windpipe) depriving oygen to lungs.

Both are effective and have the potential to be deadly. People can die from secondary causes of being choked please take that into consideration. your opponent will not notice the blood choke as must until it is too late....but neither with you. Still it would be prefered. Rear chokes from any position are good. just use caution becuase they are leathal techniques.

[Nutz]

Personally, I prefer the blood chokes over the other variety--mainly for their speed and efficiency. Plus, if you explode into it when you apply the choke, you also get your forearms into those nerves on the side of the neck. It makes for a good momentary stun effect which really lets you sink the choke in there that much better. Usually they're out in 5-10 seconds. Chokes that rely on cutting of the air supply can take up to a few minutes to take affect, if the person has a good VO2 capacity (how efficient they are at using the oxygen in their system). Swimmers and long distance runners come to mind...

[stealthx]

if it was a life or death situation and i didnt care about harming or killing the attacker at all, jusdt wanting to defend myself and save my life, would a choke be more effective (safer and easier for me to do) than just striking?

[Thai Bri]

Depends on whether or not youre worried about hurting the attacker.

[IPON]

Stealth, hard question to answer, generally they way you are wording the question a choke would be a seconary move. Meaning that you would have to set up the choke. If it is life an death and you can't run.....do what you have to do for your survival. But like I said chokes are used in a variety of styles and intrining/tournament people tap and you stop. in real fighting you will you won't have that control.

[stealthx]

lol sorry bout the poorly worded questions, lets see if i can rephrase it. If the attacker was trying to kill you and you didnt care what damge you did to the attacker as you just wanted to save your life at all costs (i.e you didnt care whether you hurt or even killed him,) where u'd do whatever it took to save your life (including killing the attacker) would it be safer for you (so the attacker will have less chance of striking or hurting you) to choke the attacker out or strike the attacker out, or use a combination?

[IPON]

assuming no weapons - Definatley combination.....again setup the move and take him out. But to answer your question I think the choke from the rear (standing kneeling) will keep you the safetest as long as you really know how to effecitivley choke.
Hwhen he's knocked out then take his wallet

[Sticksnstones]

Chokes can be very effective as others have mentioned, if you understand how to apply them and practice on resisting partners.

A properly applied choke can render someone unconscious in very little time! Trust me, I've had to use a choke. The opponent has little time to fight back. It's not difficult to stay safe from HIM during the choke if you have obtained good position. Its "other" attackers that you might have to be concerned about. In a one-on-one...no problem.