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OPEN HAND SLAPS
How do you feel about the effectiveness of using open hand slaps to the head? I watched a tape a friend made me made me of Pancrase competitions and it looked like a few times some of the guys stunned their opponenets and in one case ( I think it was Bas ) broke the guy's nose ?) Playin around with them on the heavy bag they feel REAL fast...I dont think theyd stop someone cold but I think you could rattle someone's cage and set them up for a nice power shot .
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lots of people use open slaps. ever wrestle in highschool, or seen a highschool match? they call it "pummeling" in grappling...and they are refering specifically to open handed pummeling. they use it like kuzushi in judo, to rob the opponent of his concentration/mental balance. it works extremely well.
also, a mixed martial artist i knew who went by the name of Big Steve (fitting) was an excellent boxer. he informed me, however, that at work (a state run mental house) that he isn't permitted to use closed hands strikes, no matter the situation. he said that at first he thought it was going to be a liability, but found that he does better with open hands. he said he never injures his hand, and he can strike much faster. he said if you are looking to dominate a man, not knock him out in a boxing match, that it works great. he would set up takedown/pinning/submission combos with a slap to the face as his trigger for the move. as soon as he felt his hand connect his body would follow it in and he'd go to clinch and takedown/submit the man.
i tend to agree with this. open hand slaps are great to open the opponent up for an entry.
some men may break noses and such doing this, i'm certain of it. but at my build and strength level, i'll use the punch for damage-causing and the open hand for entry-making.
hope this sheds some light
lots of people use open slaps. ever wrestle in highschool, or seen a highschool match? they call it "pummeling" in grappling...and they are refering specifically to open handed pummeling. they use it like kuzushi in judo, to rob the opponent of his concentration/mental balance. it works extremely well.
also, a mixed martial artist i knew who went by the name of Big Steve (fitting) was an excellent boxer. he informed me, however, that at work (a state run mental house) that he isn't permitted to use closed hands strikes, no matter the situation. he said that at first he thought it was going to be a liability, but found that he does better with open hands. he said he never injures his hand, and he can strike much faster. he said if you are looking to dominate a man, not knock him out in a boxing match, that it works great. he would set up takedown/pinning/submission combos with a slap to the face as his trigger for the move. as soon as he felt his hand connect his body would follow it in and he'd go to clinch and takedown/submit the man.
i tend to agree with this. open hand slaps are great to open the opponent up for an entry.
some men may break noses and such doing this, i'm certain of it. but at my build and strength level, i'll use the punch for damage-causing and the open hand for entry-making.
hope this sheds some light
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Mickey:
Just as a point of clarification, the "pimp-slap" is typically delivered with the back of one's hand.
I use it to keep all my ho's in line.
Just as a point of clarification, the "pimp-slap" is typically delivered with the back of one's hand.
I use it to keep all my ho's in line.
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Yo Ronnin. Don’t be dissin me man. Axe around homes, I can handle da hos!
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WTF?
WHERE DID YOU GET MY PICTURE?
WHERE DID YOU GET MY PICTURE?
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Um...I apologize, sir.
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Yes ,I too often use the "pimp slap " to keep my ho's in line ....But please , make sure you arent wearing any rings.If your ho's face gets cut open ,the B.TCH wont be a good earner and youll have to waste a night "chickenhawking " at the local bus station looking for young runaways to "turn out"
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Mickey Finn said,
"Millions of pimps can't be wrong."
ROTFLMFAO!!!
That one had me in stitches bro
"Millions of pimps can't be wrong."
ROTFLMFAO!!!
That one had me in stitches bro
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Pit Joe
Since we're talking about open hands...
In the street, what's your opinion on throwing a right cross with an open palm? advantages, disadvatages, etc.
Since we're talking about open hands...
In the street, what's your opinion on throwing a right cross with an open palm? advantages, disadvatages, etc.
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Water dragon: If the guy you are confronting is worth its salt, an open hand cross has good chance of being intercepted by his guard. The hole in which the strike must pass has to be bigger because the open hand itself its bigger than a closed fist. Also, if you tense your hand hitting, you will be very slow, but if you let them loose you risk to damage your fingers. This is especially true if your opponent doesn't slip or dodge the cross but parry it.
Open hands are best utilized by throwing multiple fast slapping hooks. Bas Rutten uses alot a overhand blow done with front hand. It did use it against Masa Funaki in Pancrase, effectively stunning him.
Open hands are best utilized by throwing multiple fast slapping hooks. Bas Rutten uses alot a overhand blow done with front hand. It did use it against Masa Funaki in Pancrase, effectively stunning him.
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LOL! Glad you liked it Joe.
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My personal opinion of a hand slap in a street situation is….. why bother? IMO, if I don’t think a technique has KO potential, I won’t throw it. Competing in a “NHB†sporting event is a different ball game that I can’t speak to because I have no experience with it. I have competed in other contexts and used shots that were a set up for a finisher, but I won’t do that in a street fight. I believe it to be a mistake.
[Edited by Mickey Finn on 10-12-2000 at 03:26 PM]
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My personal opinion of a hand slap in a street situation is….. why bother? IMO, if I don’t think a technique has KO potential, I won’t throw it. Competing in a “NHB†sporting event is a different ball game that I can’t speak to because I have no experience with it. I have competed in other contexts and used shots that were a set up for a finisher, but I won’t do that in a street fight. I believe it to be a mistake.
[Edited by Mickey Finn on 10-12-2000 at 03:26 PM]
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It really depends how the open hand strike is delivered. If you swing it like your going to slap someone I think you might just cause a stinging effect. On the other hand if a open hand strike is delivered properly with proper mechanics it may be effective. I think Bas has KO'd someone with a stright right cross open hand stike.
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Water Dragon:
Sorry, bro, but I don't know. I've never tried one. I've always just thrown fists; I've always got the job done.
And I (nearly) always go for the body first. A short, hard gut shot (liver shot or plexus shot) ... delivered with a bare fist ... close range ... is almost impossible to block ... and 95% of the time will do the trick and allow for an unanswered series of follow up shots to enable you to go home w/o a scratch.
Just my experience anyway.
Sorry, bro, but I don't know. I've never tried one. I've always just thrown fists; I've always got the job done.
And I (nearly) always go for the body first. A short, hard gut shot (liver shot or plexus shot) ... delivered with a bare fist ... close range ... is almost impossible to block ... and 95% of the time will do the trick and allow for an unanswered series of follow up shots to enable you to go home w/o a scratch.
Just my experience anyway.
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Ok, here is how I learned 'em. I've busted boards with 'em, shook heavy bags with 'em, and felt them under controlled conditions. In that sense, yes, they can be better and more powerful than a punch. Problem is, we always spar with gloves and I've never used one in a fight so I'm not sure how they translate into free fighting. But anyway, for those who don't know what we've been talking about and a little more info so those in the know can comment more (Pit, Tony10, Mr Finn, Underdog) here they are.
Mechanics, very similar to boxing. twisting of the hip (I was taught in terms of opening and closing the joint that connects the hip to the leg) accompanied with a simultaneous shift in body weight. At completion you should be able to lift the un weighted foot without moving your body structure.
1. the slap-This ones led by the elbow. You don't really want any energy tension, whatever in the hand. What you want is the hand to hit and just stop. This one's usually compared to a black jack. I've been told to target this one to joints and esp to the skull as it kinda shakes the brain. And at least under controlled conditions it does.
2. the strike. This is the one I was asking about as a cross. Point of contact is the small bone in the base of your hand in line with the pinky. Start with the hand palm up and as your shifting your weight you move the hand so your hitting with that small bone. (Joe, This is what I was trying to describe as "elbow down" power in the other thread. Does it make more sense with a palm than a fist? still feels like a short tight body shot even thought it extends more to me.) I was taught to use this one to the face or chest area. It works good on the solar plexus.
3. Da pimp slap-I love this one. Nice and simple. Throw a left hook. Now, stick your right hand in front of you like your holding a baby with your palm facing you and do the mechanics of a left hook. Actually, you are striking with the wrist bone, not the back of the hand. This can got to either the skull(temple, ear, side of jaw, neck. Think of it as 1 big target) or the rib area.
4. The Chop Suey Chop. Throw it like #2. Difference is the hand starts thumb up and finishes with the back of the hand up. This one is hard to explain but it shoots past the guys head and comes in at the same time so you end up "rubbing" and striking at the same time with the outer forearm bone. Usually you go for the jaw line or side of the neck.
Anyway, that's how I was taught how to do them. And they are not stand alones. They work in with hooks and body shots as well as elbows and shoulders. Any comments, advice, critique, questions?
Mechanics, very similar to boxing. twisting of the hip (I was taught in terms of opening and closing the joint that connects the hip to the leg) accompanied with a simultaneous shift in body weight. At completion you should be able to lift the un weighted foot without moving your body structure.
1. the slap-This ones led by the elbow. You don't really want any energy tension, whatever in the hand. What you want is the hand to hit and just stop. This one's usually compared to a black jack. I've been told to target this one to joints and esp to the skull as it kinda shakes the brain. And at least under controlled conditions it does.
2. the strike. This is the one I was asking about as a cross. Point of contact is the small bone in the base of your hand in line with the pinky. Start with the hand palm up and as your shifting your weight you move the hand so your hitting with that small bone. (Joe, This is what I was trying to describe as "elbow down" power in the other thread. Does it make more sense with a palm than a fist? still feels like a short tight body shot even thought it extends more to me.) I was taught to use this one to the face or chest area. It works good on the solar plexus.
3. Da pimp slap-I love this one. Nice and simple. Throw a left hook. Now, stick your right hand in front of you like your holding a baby with your palm facing you and do the mechanics of a left hook. Actually, you are striking with the wrist bone, not the back of the hand. This can got to either the skull(temple, ear, side of jaw, neck. Think of it as 1 big target) or the rib area.
4. The Chop Suey Chop. Throw it like #2. Difference is the hand starts thumb up and finishes with the back of the hand up. This one is hard to explain but it shoots past the guys head and comes in at the same time so you end up "rubbing" and striking at the same time with the outer forearm bone. Usually you go for the jaw line or side of the neck.
Anyway, that's how I was taught how to do them. And they are not stand alones. They work in with hooks and body shots as well as elbows and shoulders. Any comments, advice, critique, questions?
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