BJJ vs TKD

[BoarSpear]

check the last names vs. certain site operators last names.

think he's using daddies account?

Ribbit

Yeah, seems like it was his daddies address that was turned up before also, remember they posted a bogus one then got all irate and started listing their guns and dogs when the daddies address was provided...funny inviting me to a non existant Temple at a non existant address, thanks for the laughs IRONPALMARTS

[Sagacious Lu]

I think you def. should spread that thread around, everyone needs a good laugh. I still crack up every time I think about those clowns

[Britt]

This is the funniest thing anyone has said in this entire, worthless thread. Thank you, Britt!

Aw, shucks.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

BJJ vs. TKD, are you serious??? That is not even fair!!!

[LoneHusky]

BJJ on average is better and I'd be a fool to bet on the TKD guy but if there wasn't a BJJ school near me I'd be doing TKD. I'm sure the TKD place can't be as much of a McDojo as the local Hapkido school and they do some sparring. You can't judge a school by it's art you have to look at the instructors. On average bjj is better when it comes to not having McDojos but you gotta look at the schools instructors. Some of the Hapkido guys prolly think they are better than the TKD guys but any Jazzerciser off the street could at least take their instructor.

[Shoot]

Easy now

BJJ was “aware” of TKD and any other striking style. Sport TKD and other striking styles grew “unaware” of BJJ and grappling styles. The result of lack of awareness on one part and awareness on another part results in victory for the part aware. Hence, you get the early UFC.

TKD is nothing more than a complete, yes complete, striking style. TKD, the sport, only allows kicks above the waist. Punches are not scored very well or at all, unless they “move” the person or something like that, which is hard to do when you can only hit the body and not the head and the body has a big pad around it. So TKD, THE SPORT, became known as a high kicking style. The reality is that TKD, the system, contains every kick you can think of, punches, elbows, knees, headbutts, and open hand techniques. It’s very much like its close cousin, Karate. It is not the style of TKD, but the persons using it, that changed TKD to something else.

I don’t do TKD. I do MMA. But, I have met some TKD people whom I very much respect as fighters, not to mention people in general. We shouldn’t bash TKD because the Olympic sport is so removed from real hand to hand combat.

That leads us to the current state of MMA. I wouldn’t say that grappling is the dominant style anymore. Striking isn’t either. MMA is the dominant style. But, striking is effective once again–just as effective as grappling. Striking didn’t change. Striking has been about the same for thousands of years. What changed was AWARENESS, awareness of the rush, clinch, and other grappling techniques.

Karate, TKD, and many striking styles were aware of grappling in the early days of their roots. The snappy kicks of Karate were specifically used for the purpose of not over-committing your bodyweight so you wouldn’t get tackled. Early boxing was lighter too. Early boxing was also longer range–all because of the awareness of grappling.

So, MMA has hopefully brought awareness back to the striking styles. No longer can you get away with freely striking thinking the ref will break up the clinch. All the better.

Then there’s the “McDojang” or “McDojo” thing. I’m critical too. But, there are many TKD schools that have done many great things for kids and adults. They build character, athleticism, confidence etc.... We shouldn’t judge TKD by the least athletic person who practices it because she wants to make herself a better person. We should commend those people and be thankful that there are martial arts that will take all comers in and give them something.

I’ve seen many MMA gyms where the less athletically inclined could never enter. Does that make them better than TKD schools that will work with the person who is overweight, wimpy etc...?

[BJJAndWrestling]

I say BJJ just because it is so much better then tae kwan do!

[Bjjexpertise@be]

I think Dim Mak combined with Cross Country will be the deadliest combination. This is a dead thread please don't bring it back.

[Shoot]

What's better, American Football or Rugby? How about, American Football and BJJ? --the best line-backer using only Football; the best BJJ guy using only BJJ. The fight is on a 100 x 100 yard field. The 265 lbs Footballer runs at a 4.5 second 40 yd sprint at the BJJ player and nails him with a full body tackle, the line-backer's forehead hitting right under the BJJ player's chin, knocking him silly. They fall into the guard. Because the BJJer is stunned, the line-backer bull dozes his way out and runs 20 yards away, turns and tackles him again at full speed, this time lifting thim into the air and body slamming him. Then, the BJJer gets an arm bar, the Footballer taps. The BJJ guy walks away with a fractured jaw. Later that night the Footballer sees the BJJ guy in a bar. The Footballer is pissed about the outcome and picks up a bottle and smashes it over the BJJer's head and then starts stomping him on the ground, knocking him out. Which is better?

Answer: They're both sports.

MMA is the best.

[7r14ngL3Ch0k3]

MMA is not the best, CMA is the best, for 73h 57r337 ofcoarse.

[JyuNi]

.. what a moron.. who posts this crap. When ever you make asumptions like this, it only shows your inexperiance as a fighter, people know that movement is key in war as well as in hand-to-hand combat. If the TKD is a black belt(assuming hes from a hard school not this pussy shit you call hard) he could probally defeat the white belt pretty easy if he put full effort into due to the massive loads of experiance it takes to get to black belt atleast in my school it does(no im not TKD nbut i know people who are black belts in it). But threads like this yet again fail to bring out all of the factors... how much experiance does thiis BJJ guy have, and did either of them take an art before?

Before you make a thread on soemthing as stupid as this remember this, every art has its purpose... and also remember that alot of an arts origins coems from the past... i've seen some insanely high kicks in TKD... back in the day they were used to kick people offf their horses... nun chucks were used to beat the rice down and bo and jo staffs were the shafts of sythes.... thats an example that arts have their purpose just as the tools of the past that are now considered weapons.

[bigred389]

A lot of TKD schools now offer mixed curriculums...at one I'v visited in the past, they taught BJJ to the point you at least needed to be blue belt competent in BJJ to make black belt, with some wrestling thrown in as well.

But even you take "pure" TKD with kicks only...rear leg back kick. Eat one of those from someone with any skill, and you're in for some serious pain.

[STRONGO]

o you wanna throw guarantees around. i bet you couldnt even tap me out and im a white belt about to be yellow belt. i could probably kick you in the face then take you down. what you dont understand is theres 2 kinds of people in the world. theres weak and theres strong. you dont grasp the concept of this. some people have a hard time learning things and look like total idiots. tkd for example. most of the people who do it have no intensity what so ever and have no knowlede of grappling and are very weak. they also have little to no technique. and then there are people who know that they look like an idiot, so they fix it. learn to adjust, have strength, mostly mentally if not phisicaly. so with that said you either give me a call and we will fight, or you can call my tkd instructor up. im not one of these people who respect the art. i dont love my sensia, mostly because this shit cost so much money and its a crime. i dont like to bow and do all that crap. and i think tkd is dumb. but i like to have kicks in my arsenal. not just any kind of kicks, lots of them. i already know punches i already know knees and elbows. so no need for muy thai. i also already know how to choke some one its not hard to do. but when i see the black belts roundhouse kicking and almost taking my face of, it makes me a little catious knowing it can break a board or two. also there are judo like trips and joint locks in tkd. so if you were to attack a black belt you would most likely have a hard time. tkd is not useless, its only is if your a bitch who dosnt know how to use it. and if your completey clueless. thats the only way bjj would win

i live in boston lets set this fight up. ive got 25,00 dollars that i can choke you out in under 2 minutes,and if you like bring your buddy too i choke him after you.i'm serious .your such a pussy.

[Gary Hudson]

I've been searching for the answer to which kind of fighting style is better to concentrate on...Stand-up fighting, or grappling. I saw some very good points above. While you may be able to fend off multiple attackers standing up (if you have a strategy), it seems like our natural human instincts almost always results in two men clinching somehow. Even long ago in Rome and Greece they had Roman Boxing, AND Greco Roman wrestling (hope I spelled that right). I think I need to learn some of both to be profficient enough to control a hostile situation.
Now when it comes down to art vs. art I do think there is more flaws in certain arts vs. other arts. Competitive Boxing does not imploy lower body attacks nor do they train for such. Are we so naive as to say that TKD could not take out a boxer who NEVER trains to defend against a groin kick???
Yes, I repect all the arts also...but I will respect what I believe to be the truth above all else. TRUTH is better than sugar coating something to make someone else happy. And if my respect of truth conflicts with my respect for other arts, then I must respect the truth for conscience sake...

With that said, I do not believe that TKD can take out a fair BJJ practitioner since it is true that TKD concentrates almost exclusively on kicks. I'd say
80% kicking to 20% punching. I used to be in TKD for awhile. But it became apparent that the flashy kicks would not work so good in a real fight. THINK! In Korea, why would they envent those huge flying kicks? ...Answer: to nock an attacker OFF HIS HORSE. The next time someone charges at you with a lance it will be great to remember those huge flying kicks to disable the attacker. Otherwise, those flashy kicks rarely come into play.
Another thing...When a TKD guy throws a kick HE'S ONLY STANDING ON ONE LEG!!! That makes for bad balance against a grappler.
Look, I've never takin' any grappling art; but the only art I have formally trained in is TKD. And I'm just being brutally honest here though you TKD guys might not like it, but without some kind of grappling thrown in...BJJ is simply a better art. That's from a former TKD practitioner.

[Sagacious Lu]

Rocky Road is by far the best type of ice cream to put in a waffle cone, although for a good hot fudge sunday I've got to go with the classic; nothing beats vanilla