Style DOES Matter...

[Gom]

I have to support the under dog here guys. Why do you all assume that Muay Thai is undefeatable by aikido. I dont do Aikido, but im sure that there is at least one person who could do it. And maybe Ryta saw the only one but you all do have a heavy bias to Muay Thai. Yes it is one of the most conditioned arts around and yes it is possibly one of the most practical (i say most because i dont about a large bumber of styles and I dont know enough about muay thai) but your pedastooling it and shooting anyone for trying to suggest there is more to martial arts than Muay Thai. I still think Muay Thai as a style mops up Aikido in general but I think its slightly harsh to assume no Aikido person can beat a MT guy.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

RabidMAT12

somehow when people here are talking about a BJJ guy or Aikido or Karate or MT or whatever, they mean you should soly rely on the techniques and training from the style

If in BJJ the training is geared to competition and taking down the opponent making shure he can't fight and looking for a submmission then chances are ( and I say this because people here say the same of trad arts) that you will fall into that patern, like a karateka trained for noncontact would stop/pull his punches

This only happens to inimaginative people who don't see the difference between real life and a match ( no matter what type)
a MT fighter that doesn't adapt the force he's hitting with when figting bareknuckled on the street is likely to break his hand, heck some fighters managed to do so in a match wearing 12 oz gloves

Even People trained in so called Practical SelfDefence arts ( do disrespect) should understand that in training you rarely go full out, so they have to adapt

Style does matter though, if you are upto your waist in the ocean and someone picks a fight with you, it doesn't make sense to go to the ground seeing you will be under water by then

MAs have to be adapted for the streets, but what you come across on the streets differs according to geographical location
e.g. guns aren't allowed in my country, training against a gun attack would be a waste of time here, even carrying a knife is a nono, you won't get into a club/bar if you have a swiss army knife
spending a lot of time on this also waste of time
Most senseless violence victoms were because of multiple attack in my country( only counting serious ones e.g. victom dead)
I would say training for this scenario would be best for selfdefence
Maybe a MMA full contact Battle Royal type of matches could train you best for this

Problem is some people here have tunnel vision and expect a good art to adapt to the situation in there country or city

[RabidMAT12]

Toudiyama, yes i totally agree even though you seemed to go on a bit, my point was that you cant assume in a fight with no rules and you cannot rely on the other person using only their own techniques.
While style does matter the specific arguments e.g. i saw an akido guy beat a muay thai guy once is totally stupid (i want to use other words but they would ban me).
If i wanted to see an akido guy beat up a muay thai guy it would be easy, i would just find some 3 year old and teach him a few basic teeps, clinches and kicks then find an akido champion with no morals and watch the carnage.
Even if you have trained in muay thai for 90 years im pretty sure i can beat a guy that old using yellow bamboo, native american kung fu or even tai bo. Fools.

[crouton]

Toudiyama[NL], just curious what country are you in?

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Netherlands, must have been occupied with something else when I registered this profile, I was shure I filled in all the fields

[ryta1203]

Originally posted by RabidMAT12
How can you say that for certain one guy who knows BJJ will lose a fight to two guys once it hits the floor?
You really dont know a thing about fighting do you?
I remember in one of my extremly rare fights back in school i was fighting three guys who were all one year younger than me (so no real difference in ability) and i got one guy to the ground. I had no martial arts experience but i knew that the other guy was going to do something while i couldnt defend myself so i punched the guy on the ground hard in the eye. Obviosly he couldnt fight any more (yes he cried and yes i feel bad about it).
To quote goatnipples in a street fight there are no rules, the only ring that matters has curbs, all you sissies should get some iron crosses man, im the best.

Well, I admit that I can't say for certain this would happen, but if a BJJ guy takes my buddy to the ground, I am going to split his skull with the bottom of my boot. There is no doubt about that.

I do care. The thing I care most about is the fact that all the ufc, etc (1v1) followers and worshippers are constantly running around all these different message boards spouting shit like "MT and BJJ are the best", "MT and BJJ are what all the brutes in the ufc use", etc, etc. Just get sick of hearing all that bullshit propaganda.

It just gets old. 99% of us get their ass kicked by ufc, pride, etc winners. Because of their style? NO. Because of their strength and conditioning, YES. Most of us have real jobs, families, girlfriends, etc. We are not all buddhist monks, or sponsored steroid heads who train 24/7. I cant go workout in the gym for 2 hours and then practice fighting for another 7. I have a normal job with a normal company. And even if I had the chance to do that crap, which I don't, I wouldn't want to. I like my brain the way it is and my nuts their normal size.

Thank you and I will stop posting shit totally dissing BJJ and MT after this post.

[crouton]

Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]

e.g. guns aren't allowed in my country, training against a gun attack would be a waste of time here, even carrying a knife is a nono, you won't get into a club/bar if you have a swiss army knife
spending a lot of time on this also waste of time

id have to disagree with you on this, i feel you should train in any self-defense situation that you can think of. the more well rounded of a student you are the better off you can only be. just because you live in a place where certain things arent allowed by law doesnt mean that they arent widely available or wont come into play in a real situation. case in point, we hosted a seminar in england a couple years ago. in england knives arent allowed either, but everyone of us brought our knives with us over there. in fact almost everyone had at least two knives on them at all times. we went in and out of clubs/bars and pretty much anywhere with no problem. so my point is, you dont know what your opponent has or doesnt have and that is why your train for every possible situation.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Here the bouncers search for it most clubs have metaldetectors And lately the police started to do preventive searches
I wasn't saying you shouldn't train for it but you shure as hea shouldn't spend most of your time training defences against it
Spend most time on the things most likely to happen and train to survive not to safe your honour( provided you are training for selfdefence)
training a pure art without adaptation to what you come across on the street isn't very practical for selfdefence

[Lizard]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Toudiyama, time for another one of my examples using animals: If I live in a country full of angry mokeys who attack me then I want to spend most of my time training in how to deal with multiple monkeys. Let's say there is also a crocodile in this country, I may spend a short time thinking about how to defend against it, just in case, but most of my time will be on the monkeys because firstly I am more likely to be attacked by monkeys and secondly if I get attacked by the crocodile then I'm most likely to die anyway, no matter how much I train. To get the non animal version of this point simply replace "monkey" with unarmed attackers and "crocodile" with knife wielding maniac. Thai Bri will have something to say about this...

[Tcell]

Training against knives/weapons is a good idea imho.You can't carry any weapon in the UK legally but it doesn't stop scrotes from carrying blades,or trying to stick a bottle/glass in your face, quite common in a pub fight.Just don't focus all your energy on one type of training.

On the whole 'style' thing I still think it's the person more than the style until you get to quite a high skill level.We've all known a guy who's never trained in a MA but is rock hard & takes people apart.

Cheers Jez

[Kleyman97]

Originally posted by Lizard
I'm afraid I have to agree with Toudiyama, time for another one of my examples using animals: If I live in a country full of angry mokeys who attack me then I want to spend most of my time training in how to deal with multiple monkeys. Let's say there is also a crocodile in this country, I may spend a short time thinking about how to defend against it, just in case, but most of my time will be on the monkeys because firstly I am more likely to be attacked by monkeys and secondly if I get attacked by the crocodile then I'm most likely to die anyway, no matter how much I train. To get the non animal version of this point simply replace "monkey" with unarmed attackers and "crocodile" with knife wielding maniac. Thai Bri will have something to say about this...

That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a while, but I'd also like to say that I agree with the dude who was dissin BJJ and MT, you can't say they're the best untik you fight my friend Bozo the happy Northern Shaolin monk

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Kleyman97


That is one of the funniest things I have heard in a while, but I'd also like to say that I agree with the dude who was dissin BJJ and MT, you can't say they're the best untik you fight my friend Bozo the happy Northern Shaolin monk

Listen man all that stuffs been done.

Mauy Thai kicks ass, so does BJJ.

Get with the program, if done all that Kung fu shit and when i was doing it i was about your age. I thought it worked, it doesnt.

Its crap, forget it. There are best arts. STOP the political correct crap.

Mauy Thai is best standing up and BJJ is best on the ground thats it bar certain street defence systems that are largely made from these two anyway. Or any system largely made from these two.

I dont care what anyone else thinks because its been proven enough times.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Originally posted by Ghost


Listen man all that stuffs been done.

Mauy Thai kicks ass, so does BJJ.

Get with the program, if done all that Kung fu shit and when i was doing it i was about your age. I thought it worked, it doesnt.

Its crap, forget it. There are best arts. STOP the political correct crap.

Mauy Thai is best standing up and BJJ is best on the ground thats it bar certain street defence systems that are largely made from these two anyway. Or any system largely made from these two.

I dont care what anyone else thinks because its been proven enough times.

SO have many other styles but you just do not accept those, it was a karateka in the finals of UFC1 NOT a MT fighter
And a pure karate fighter so not mixed trained especially for the UFC
Yeah he lost to Gracie but that doesn't make it bad does it?
but then this is all of a sudden it's too long ago
How often do they have to prove themself?

[Ghost]

I heard he was a gaylord and only got there cos he threatened to bum anyone who turned their back to him so that doesnt count.

[falcon3624]

Originally posted by Ghost
I heard he was a gaylord and only got there cos he threatened to bum anyone who turned their back to him so that doesnt count.

LOL Ghost, and Kleyman, shut the hell up.......