tactics for small guys

[jubaji]

And so's the idea that a punch in the throat can cause someone to choke to death. Really!

And how many times have you caused someone to choke to death that way, Theory-boy?

[figgis]

It's hard for you because you apparently have no clue whatsoever about grappling.

..Except that I have enough to have taken out my JJ teacher..

If you think about it for a minute, getting behind someone becomes harder and harder the further away you are from your opponent. You are making assumptions based on your blatant ignorance.

Well, if a smaller guy can stay completely out of contact with a big guy, that's called "I've escaped" and is probably the best thing he could do. I took it for granted that you had enough sense that I didn't need to point this out; sorry.

Otoh, if a small guy is coming in to strike then he is close enough to feasibly, with normal human levels of agility, step around El Gigante, especially after having landed a rattler on him. Probably more easily than if the big guy and he are actually holding each other. But if you tell me that you can't get behind someone's back in the second or so after breaking their nose, I'll believe you - it must be the pay off for that weird "no vulnerable points" body of yours; having no kneecaps means you can't walk very fast.

Yes, being an excellent grappler gives a small guy a better chance of moving once he and a big guy are in contact, but it still doesn't mean that training in a way that forces coming into that contact is the best thing to do.

I really think you're making some bizarre arguments to bolster your own sense of security here. I enjoy grappling, I usually won my grappling fights, and I'm looking around for a school to start grappling in again (I'd prefer Western to BJJ), but I feel no need to pretend either that it's more "street" than it is, when a lot of grapple techniques are so easily countered with a "dirty" strike, or that it suits exactly the type of confrontation - light v heavy - that its worst for. I'm a heavy; I've never had a problem with a light grappler, but I've trained against light fast strikers who would have killed my mobility in the first few seconds with kicks to the shin, then danced until the got my back and kneed me in the kidney. If you're light, learn how to be fast.

[jubaji]

..Except that I have enough to have taken out my JJ teacher...

The fact that your JJ teacher sucks is proof of nothing.

[jubaji]

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Well, if a smaller guy can stay completely out of contact with a big guy, that's called "I've escaped" and is probably the best thing he could do.

More irrelevant bullshit, since we weren't talking about running away. You fail again.

[figgis]

And [apparently JJ is disputing the idea that punch to the throat is more likely to cause death or severe injury than a punch to any random part of the body] how many times have you caused someone to choke to death that way, Theory-boy?

Brilliant retort. No, I'm not being sarcastic. Really! Trust me! I hold you in much too high an esteem!

Ok: despite all medical evidence, no one has the right to assume that a punch to the throat hurts until they have personally executed someone this way. Good knows how many people jub killed to gain *his* extensive knowledge of combat, but I'm sure they were all Dark Ninja, Sith, or some such deserving folk. (Hopefully he'll off those irritating turtles next..)

[figgis]

Originally Posted by figgis
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Well, if a smaller guy can stay completely out of contact with a big guy, that's called "I've escaped" and is probably the best thing he could do.

More irrelevant bullshit, since we weren't talking about running away. You fail again.

Actually the point, which you don't seem to be smart enough to get, was that if you are close to someone to hit them then you are not so far away from them that sidestepping, etc, are impossible. Unless you have 40 foot arms, which would be far from the weirdest claim you have yet made about your own body, Mr "It doesn't hit me when you punch my balls".

[jubaji]

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Otoh, if a small guy is coming in to strike then he is close enough to feasibly, with normal human levels of agility, step around El Gigante, especially after having landed a rattler on him. Probably more easily than if the big guy and he are actually holding each other. But if you tell me that you can't get behind someone's back in the second or so after breaking their nose, I'll believe you -

Wrong again. Assuming you will surely break his nose is stupid. Assuming because someone is 'bigger' they are slow and will stand there like a statue while you casually walk behind him is stupid.

If you are in contact with him it is in fact easier to get behind him, but you don't know that because you are absolutely ignorant about grappling.

[jubaji]

the old song of the Theory-boy

.. a lot of grapple techniques are so easily countered with a "dirty" strike, .

There we go...

[jubaji]

.. exactly the type of confrontation - light v heavy - that its worst for. .

Utter ignorance...

[jubaji]

Ok: despite all medical evidence, no one has the right to assume that a punch to the throat hurts until they have personally executed someone this way. ..)

You didn't answer my question. How many people have you caused to choke to death by hitting them in the throat?

[jubaji]

Actually the point, which you don't seem to be smart enough to get, was that if you are close to someone to hit them then you are not so far away from them that sidestepping, etc, are impossible.

Here again we see your 'theoretical' opponent who is incapable of moving while you move around him.



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[figgis]

Wrong again. Assuming you will surely break his nose is stupid.

I didn't. Learn to read. I said that after you landed a decent strike flanking an opponent is easy. There certainly isn't a guarantee that you will land said strike; there's a never a guarantee that you will win a fight. Fighting light against heavy you'll just have to be *much* better to win - there's no getting a way from that.

Assuming because someone is 'bigger' they are slow and will stand there like a statue while you casually walk behind him is stupid.

If you're small and disadvantaged in reach and power, it makes sense to make the most of your one likely area of equality or superiority. And small guys usually are faster than big ones - compare footwork in different boxing divisions and you'll see an amazing difference. If you you're weak, small and slow.. then God help you.

If you are in contact with him it is in fact easier to get behind him

That's your claim. And it is somewhat true in dojo grappling. ("Somewhat" because I think you have no idea how fast a light strike fighter can be.) In a street fight, where an opponent can grab you by the ears, eyeball socket or balls - no, not really.

[figgis]

Originally Posted by figgis
Actually the point, which you don't seem to be smart enough to get, was that if you are close to someone to hit them then you are not so far away from them that sidestepping, etc, are impossible.

Here again we see your 'theoretical' opponent who is incapable of moving while you move around him.
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If you tell me that you could never sidestep an opponent who wasn't standing still, then I'll certainly believe it of you. However, I have to say that in the real world I know plenty of fighters who can side step, duck, bob, etc. So yes, I would expect a trained lightweight striker to be better on his feet than a less trained heavy opponent, and to be able to get an advantage from this.

But I'll certainly accept anything you say about your own level of incompetence as being true.

[jubaji]

I said that after you landed a decent strike flanking an opponent is easy. .

This too is an assumption.

[figgis]

You didn't answer my question. How many people have you caused to choke to death by hitting them in the throat?

And it's such a smart question!