Guilty by proxy?

[Troll Virus]

Specific things I dislike about this post:
1) History- I remember when Troll came to the forum with a bunch of assbags in tow. Remember Andy and the faux-britts with the IP address from NY?

Actually, I'm from the UK.Scotland to be precise.
I'd just add that I joined this forum a long time ago, a long time before the people you refer too, and my intentions have always been good ones here.
There are people here I like and respect, just as there are others I don't.

2) He's presented himself to be pretentious.

I think you're pretty pompous yourself.
I've been involved in Martial Arts longer than you've been alive.
So maybe it's just that you are too young to relate to me?

3) The TV pun set me off. Probably more than it should have, but it provided more evidence for number 2.

See 'pompous'.

[3) He doesn't vote. That's reason enough to piss me off, unless he's a convicted felon...there's no excuse.

Oh really?
So if I said, I simply didn't agree with the policies of any political party available, so there's no point in me voting, that'd be pretentious?

4) Asked, not axed, not arsed. Arsed...assed?

'Arsed' as in bothered too, it's a UK expression.

5) yeah, I agree, no matter who you vote for, the government gets in...but that doesn't mean don't vote. Jesus. You gave G.W. a second term, nice going! That's arsed.

Obviously, being from the UK, theres not a lot I can do about your choice of Muppet.

6) Logically, you wouldn't be guilty by proxy, so you might be an "innocent by proxy-because I didn't vote for the new regime" victim of terrorism. But that little quip kinda implies those real victims of terrorism are "guilty". Your question is a joke, and it detracts from real suffering. It's sorta like saying that if you had curly dark hair during the Holocaust, but aren't "guilty" of being a Jew, would you end up an "innocent" victim.

That's how fucked up your statement appeared to me.

Obviously, you've taken a dislike to me for whatever reason and that's affected your ability to be reasonable.

7) You don't vote. You ARE guilty by inaction. What did Dante say?

That's fine. What did Dante say?

[Garland]

**** you.

Today, 10:21 AM
Troll Virus
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Location: Under a Bridge
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Re: I don't give a ****
If run a proper search, you'll find I joined this forum a long time ago, probably before you.

If you ask Mike Brewer, you'll find I've been instrumental in the removal of several Trolls from this board.

As for bitching.
It's to the detriment of this forum that no-one is free to dicuss CMA without people like Thai Bri butting in to say how crap it is.
That's why I'll steep up to the plate with him.
He's old enough to know better and spoils the forum for people who might otherwise enjoy it.

It's to the detriment of this forum, that I can't post anything without comments like the ones made by you, who knows **** all about me.
That leads to others doing the same.
Boarspear is equally guilty.
Trianglechoke is an asshole.
Sagacious Liu has issues with me over bullshido.

Myself, I get on well with EF, Mike Brewer, Tanto1 and Granfire.

As for threats, if you keep on harrassing me, I'll just report every post.
Not a threat, that's exactly what I'll do and I'm giving you fair warning, while asking if we couldn't just wipe the slate clean and start again.

I don't think that's particularly pretentious, do you?

[Troll Virus]

Ok, that's reported!
Keep it up.

[Garland]

Obviously, you've taken a dislike to me for whatever reason and that's affected your ability to be reasonable.

You went about it the wrong way. We could've settled this by being civil, but you had to go and push me by sending me fucking thinly veiled threats.

Well...it would be nice if it said you were from Scotland on your location thing...instead of "under a bridge". Troll.
There are members here that I have the utmost respect for (some of which you have a problem with), there are members I have marginal respect for (i.e. jubaji), and there are those I see as being rectum wranglers...like yourself.

You may have been involved in the martial arts longer than I've been alive...so fucking what? You trying to prove to everyone that you're old, I don't know shit, or that my opinion on an "open forum" topic isn't valid because I don't have whatever fucking credentials you claim by however many rings you have around your core?

I don't relate to you, because you posted some serious bullshit right here. Look at the fucking implications of your statement.

See pompous? See, pompous. Let's make threats over PM's...**** you. Go ahead, tag this post, report it. Now at least everyone can see this shit and it's open. I'm "harassing you"? Give me a fucking break, I'm replying to your shit, you pm'ed me...alls I said is that you're a fucking clown. I'm not trolling you, I ain't done shit. Be a crybaby.

muppet.

[Garland]

Ok, that's reported!
Keep it up.

Fine. You don't like me, put me on ignore...you called me out, so now we're having it out.

Go waste the poor mods' time by clogging their boxes with random complaints. I won't waste any more time on you. But...seriously...you're a fucking punk.
:fu:

[Troll Virus]

You went about it the wrong way. We could've settled this by being civil, but you had to go and push me by sending me fucking thinly veiled threats.

I went about it the wrong way?
I've been nothing but 'Civil' to you.
I've had you, what's the phrase...'ragging on me' consistently on various threads, but I'm the one now "pushing you?"
There's nothing veiled nor threatening.
Like you posted (pretty low tactic by the way) a PM sent to you, everyone can see if it was a threat or not.
Clearly, it was a statement of intent, which has been acted upon.

Well...it would be nice if it said you were from Scotland on your location thing...instead of "under a bridge". Troll.

I'll explain to you.
That User profile has not been changed since I joined this forum, and it was a very different place then.
As to my own personal details, they were posted on here several times when I was being 'imped'.

There are members here that I have the utmost respect for (some of which you have a problem with), there are members I have marginal respect for (i.e. jubaji), and there are those I see as being rectum wranglers...like yourself.

No different to myself then.
The difference is, I'm not trying to make you look like a dick by polarising members here.
The difference is, you are a blowbag mouthpeice who's done nothing to warrant any form of respect from anybody here.
The difference is, you resort to tactics as low as anyone could possibly get to on a forum.
I could go on and on, but the truth is, you are nothing like me and if you go on the way you're going, never will be (yeah, I know you'll b happy to hear that).

You may have been involved in the martial arts longer than I've been alive...so fucking what?

It's simply a fact!
So what?
Well if I was your coach, I'd have let you know already, just like your own coach would if you mouthed off to him.

You trying to prove to everyone that you're old, I don't know shit,

Got to stop you there.
I have never said you don't know shit.
When you get old, let me assure you, there's no desire to prove it to anyone.

or that my opinion on an "open forum" topic isn't valid because I don't have whatever fucking credentials you claim by however many rings you have around your core?

Again, I've never said that

I don't relate to you, because you posted some serious bullshit right here. Look at the fucking implications of your statement.

Nope, you don't relate to me, because you have an e-ego the size of Manhattan.
Great, you're training MT 1-0-0. Great start.
What do you know about me?
Look at the implications of your own statements.

See pompous? See, pompous. Let's make threats over PM's...**** you. Go ahead, tag this post, report it. Now at least everyone can see this shit and it's open. I'm "harassing you"? Give me a fucking break, I'm replying to your shit, you pm'ed me...alls I said is that you're a fucking clown. I'm not trolling you, I ain't done shit. Be a crybaby.

OK.
You chose to see a threat.
You chose to see a lot of things that weren't there.
I offered you the chance to start again.

In the eyes of this forum and all who sail in her, I offer you the chance to re-think just one last time.

Why?
Because I understand.
I've been your age.
I've been where you are.
I understand what drives you.

It's up to you at the end of the day, but I see you have a lot to learn and I hope in future I might be of some support.

Time for a major ego-check.

[Troll Virus]

Fine. You don't like me, put me on ignore...you called me out, so now we're having it out.

I've never said I don't like you.
Not really had time to consider that that might be important to you, for which I apologise.

Go waste the poor mods' time by clogging their boxes with random complaints.

There's nothing "random"about it.
Mods work for the general good of a forum.
The decisions made are often difficult.
It's mostly always a thankless task.
It's people like yourself who make that difficult.

I won't waste any more time on you. But...seriously...you're a fucking punk.
:fu:

I genuinely believe you can do better than that.

[Garland]

I went about it the wrong way?
I've been nothing but 'Civil' to you.
I've had you, what's the phrase...'ragging on me' consistently on various threads, but I'm the one now "pushing you?"

The difference is, I'm not trying to make you look like a dick by polarising members here.

The difference is, you are a blowbag mouthpeice who's done nothing to warrant any form of respect from anybody here.
The difference is, you resort to tactics as low as anyone could possibly get to on a forum.

In the eyes of this forum and all who sail in her, I offer you the chance to re-think just one last time.

Because I understand.
I've been your age.
I've been where you are.
I understand what drives you.

It's up to you at the end of the day, but I see you have a lot to learn and I hope in future I might be of some support.
Time for a major ego-check.

...I would've just stayed away.

OK. Let me check the ego at the door then. I won't start calling you names again, but let's look at this objectively shall we? You claim that I am "ragging on you" in various threads...where? when? I admit that my initial comments in this thread were obscene and extremely mean spirited, but your post set me off.
I've read it over and over again, and it still comes off like you're saying that voting makes people guilty, and therefore, deserved victims of terrorist actions. I know you're coming from the stance of the mujhadeen that made the "guilty by proxy" statement...but by asking if your non-voting practices would make you an innocent victim of a terrorist act if you were an Iraqi citizen, you give weight to the argument; by proposing your innocence- it implies the voting Iraqi's are guilty of something that deserves their slaughter. The whole question seems like a crass joke instead of a legitimate question.

I didn't try to polarize members of the board against you...this debate of ours is not a team event...you mentioned them unsolicited. I didn't take anything out of context- I simply posted your message to me word for word. If that's a low tactic...don't send me PM's. I do post messages from time to time when people are giving me shit. It's not a low tactic, it's keeping a public argument public. If you really wanted to settle things behind closed doors...you should've asked.

What more have you contributed to this forum than I have...I have certainly contributed many more serious and legitamite posts than you have, I have also posted notes, videos. I may post crazy shit, and I might be a bit of a joker, but not all the time...and my valid post count certainly outweighs yours.
OR do you mean that in my life I have never done anything to warrant anyone's respect? Is THAT what you meant???!

In the eyes of this forum? Who made you God? Last time I checked, you aren't a moderator, and you sling mud with the rest of us, I remember a specific post aimed at TriangleChoke where you "stooped to my level". You need to dismount that high horse and try to look at things from my perspective. In the eyes of the forum...where's the vote? You offer me a chance to re-think my statements one last time...on behaff of the forum? That's a bold statement. On whose authority? This type of thing reinforces my heuristic that you are pompous and pretentious. You certainly come off being self-righteous and sanctimonious.

Do you honestly think that I am in need of reconciliation or redemption from the likes of you in order to be a member of this forum? Do you think you are being charitable by offering me this? No.

Do not attempt to claim you understand me, and I won't attempt to make the claim that I know your type.

Judging from past experience, I know that we can be cool. Boar and I got off to a really rocky start arguing about the shared title of a Sun Tzu and Machievelli text, as well as our disagreements over whether or not a particular art was practical...and now we're cool.
It IS possible for us to lay down our arms and smooth this over, and the first step I think is for us to just drop this little arguement...I already tried to disengage...now I suggest you cease and desist as well.

I'm sorry I said I'd rather do some foul and unspeakable act with a transgendered person than see you post another word...

there, now I've apologised.

[Troll Virus]

...I would've just stayed away.

OK. Let me check the ego at the door then. I won't start calling you names again, but let's look at this objectively shall we? You claim that I am "ragging on you" in various threads...where? when? I admit that my initial comments in this thread were obscene and extremely mean spirited, but your post set me off.

Ego check.
Just who appointed you judge and jury over me?

I've read it over and over again, and it still comes off like you're saying that voting makes people guilty, and therefore, deserved victims of terrorist actions.

Uh Uh.
I commented on the observation that Muslim extremists made that distinction.

I know you're coming from the stance of the mujhadeen that made the "guilty by proxy" statement...but by asking if your non-voting practices would make you an innocent victim of a terrorist act if you were an Iraqi citizen, you give weight to the argument; by proposing your innocence- it implies the voting Iraqi's are guilty of something that deserves their slaughter. The whole question seems like a crass joke instead of a legitimate question.

Nah, you're miles away.

of context- I simply posted your message to me word for word. If that's a low tactic...don't send me PM's. I do post messages from time to time when people are giving me shit. It's not a low tactic, it's keeping a public argument public. If you really wanted to settle things behind closed doors...you should've asked.

They're called what?
Private messages?
Note that I didn't. nor haven't posted your preceding PM's to me.
It is!, a low tactic to post private messages.
You saw an opportunity to draw support from others and that's low.
It means you can't stand on your own two feet and debate for yourself.
It means you have to 'cheat' to win.

What more have you contributed to this forum than I have...I have certainly contributed many more serious and legitamite posts than you have, I have also posted notes, videos. I may post crazy shit, and I might be a bit of a joker, but not all the time...and my valid post count certainly outweighs yours.

So this is now a pissing contest?
I have a foot start on you.

OR do you mean that in my life I have never done anything to warrant anyone's respect? Is THAT what you meant???!

For goodness sake, grow up.
Buy a Bics junior and cry into your cocoa, cos I'm not your mum.

In the eyes of this forum? Who made you God? Last time I checked, you aren't a moderator, and you sling mud with the rest of us, I remember a specific post aimed at TriangleChoke where you "stooped to my level". You need to dismount that high horse and try to look at things from my perspective.

Really?
Why would I want to do that?

the forum...where's the vote? You offer me a chance to re-think my statements one last time...on behaff of the forum?

Nope.
Quote exactly what I said.

statement. On whose authority? This type of thing reinforces my heuristic that you are pompous and pretentious. You certainly come off being self-righteous and sanctimonious.

Based on what you wee Ryan Seacrest fan?

honestly think that I am in need of reconciliation or redemption from the likes of you in order to be a member of this forum? Do you think you are being charitable by offering me this?

Nope, but you were never asked this

attempt to claim you understand me, and I won't attempt to make the claim that I know your type.

Hey, everyone here now knows exactly what you are.

from past experience, I know that we can be cool. Boar and I got off to a really rocky start arguing about the shared title of a Sun Tzu and Machievelli text, as well as our disagreements over whether or not a particular art was practical...and now we're cool.
It IS possible for us to lay down our arms and smooth this over, and the first step I think is for us to just drop this little arguement...I already tried to disengage...now I suggest you cease and desist as well.

Well lookeehere, you want to disengage huh?
Only on your terms though huh?
There's no arguement though.
You could simply apologise and retract your statements.

sorry I said I'd rather do some foul and unspeakable act with a transgendered person than see you post another word...

Are you though?
Correct me if I'm wrong everyone, but can anyone else see a genuine apology?
Can anyone see a reason why I should accept what's been offered other than that, I'm a decent kind of bloke, inclined to forgive?

now I've apologised.

I'd be inclined to accept that and reciprocate if it was genuine, but your post doesn't really support it.

[Garland]

Alright...be that way.

the apology is sincere...it was a fucked up thing to say. (the tranny thing) I'm sorry. Mea culpa.

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I refuse to apologize for anything else. Sorry. The tranny thing was out-of-line. The rest wasn't.