Boxing vs. Asian Martial Arts

[SilverWolf33]

I recently had the opportunity to spar a friend of mine in boxing.

Here's a little background:

My friend was an extremely good boxer, and I did this at a sleepover with about 10 other guys. Before this, ALL of my friend were saying theat martial arts were worthless in a fight and that its all mysticism and that boxing was REAL fighting. The guy jabbed me about twice after which i ducked and when he tried to hook me I pak-saud his right arm and vertical fisted him in the chest. Round two he jabbed and hooked the whole time and all I did was evaid, one Thai kick brought him to the ground. You've gotta be able to utilize ALL of your weapons!

[Arms_Of_Thor]

If they are kicking you with their rear leg to the groin then either they are to far to throw a kick to body or they are really trying to kick you in the balls. A rear kick is usually loaded so pay attention, once you see the hip torque ,shoot in and throw a good 1 2. And if its a lead footed kick you can basically boot kick the shin or knee. Circle right to avoid lead kicks to body & head and keep your lead foot on the outside of theirs. Yeah jab or double jab. If youre kicking get to their side theyll be off balanced so clinch and you can throw some knees and elbows.

[ewod]

I dont think its fair to compare styles...I see it more like who is the better fighter, not the better style...a boxer could beat someone who is an expert in any martial art depending mainly on the boxer and his strength and power...on the other hand, a martial artist could beat a boxer, but like I said, it depends mainly on the martial artist because style does not determine that this guy or that guy is automatically better at fighting...

[Tom Yum]

Cross training helps too.

A boxer who is familar with muay thai will know what to expect and how to use his skills to keep himself in punching range and avoid getting kicked or clinched - not an easy task to do.

Likewise a thaiboxer familar with boxing will know what to expect and how to keep the boxer off balance with leg kicks and control him in the clinch - also not easy.

A small % of boxers are learning muay thai for its 'dirty' moves and to add to their self-defense. Most thaiboxers cross train in boxing to improve their hand speed and footwork.

[sercuerdas]

a. o. t.
thanx for the help...

[sun fist]

In a fight with rules and limitations a boxer will win easily because boxing is nothing but a sport that teaches how to utilize the ring. In a street fight, a martial artist would easily pound a boxer into the ground since martial artist know ten times more techniques and hand forms to strike vital areas. Plus, since boxers seldom guard their legs, low kicks would make a boxer crumble.

[J_TKD]

these days modern martial arts are incorporating boxing into their style/curriculum. I, for example, train in AIMAA TaeKwonDo. We keep the traditional stances and kicks and punches and patterns etc, but we also box like boxers, kick with the power of kick boxers and the skill of a WFT kicker, grapple like JJS........

Obviuosly a boxer has the best punch, so why not use it... as I said, we still do the same tkd as everyone else, stances up and down the floor, but for squad training or sparring classes we hit the bags with a strong upper body hook, torquing the body keeping feet about shoulder width apart like a boxer to avail of reach from both hands. Then if a fight goes to the ground (as a high percentage of street fights will) we can use the grappling skills we learn from JJS. I think its great that we learn all the different fighting styles in a taekwondo class. Also makes it more enjoyable I find.

[Turing]

In a street fight, a martial artist would easily pound a boxer into the ground since martial artist know ten times more techniques and hand forms to strike vital areas. [/B]

It's also quite likely they are ten times less likely to have an effective technique come to mind in time.

[sun fist]

Who's likely to not have an effective technique come to mind? If you have trained in the martial arts for about 9 or 10 years like I have, an effective technique would easily come to mind!

[Gom]

Sun Fist according to your profile your 13 years old. Now either you started doing martial arts when you were 3 years old (almost 4) or your profile is wrong. Except you come across as a very very young person. Perhaps i misinterpret the underlying tone in your posts.

Haveing 10 times the amount of techniques is horrible in a real fight. Your brain will take a dump and you'll lock up. Having a few responses to actions that are pre programmed responses is the best way to go.

If i take your posts the wrong way I'm very sorry. But you come across as really really cocky. If you don't know wat your talking about. Present it as an opinion. Not the be all end all of martial arts wisdom

[chris davis 200]

Haveing 10 times the amount of techniques is horrible in a real fight. Your brain will take a dump and you'll lock up. Having a few responses to actions that are pre programmed responses is the best way to go.

Dont know about striking arts like karate etc, but the main reason for learning a multitude of techniques is to engrain the principles of movement onto your brain - then you wont have to think of a technique - one will present itself.

this type of automated responce is far far far quicker than the tactical thought process employed by sport fighters.

This is also very hard to achieve. Internal chinese arts appear to be very effective at teaching this automated reflex, but i know that there are very very few capable of this type of teaching.

It is definatley best to master one technique - than learn 1000 badley.

A famous hsing i master, used just one technique and was very nearly undefeated (until he met another hsing i master). But this one techniques was virtually impossible to counter or defend against because he was a master at it.

If you can get the right teaching learn in the traditional way, if you cant (and you probably cant!), focus your skills and become an expert at a few key things.

cheers
chris

[sercuerdas]

techniques ain't where it's at, it's about attribrutes and the ability to flow. boxing or traditional arts it's all the same.

[RingThing]

Hey this thread got interesting. As a relative beginner to boxing, I'm still focusing on basic techniques and trying to make them instinctive. I'd like to be able to think of a certain combination and then have all the hand and footwork happen almost automatically.

But I like the thought of going beyond this and having the "principles of movement" embedded in the brain. Sounds like a JKD idea. Can a boxer get to this level by first learning combos until they're instinctive, and then working on tactics until they come without thinking, too? Or is there another part of the learning process that needs to happen?

[sercuerdas]

all good boxers do it, you'll get to the point were you won't even think of combinations, they will just throw themselves.( have you ever driven home from work and when you get there you didn't even realize how you drove it).

[sun fist]

Originally posted by Gom
Sun Fist according to your profile your 13 years old. Now either you started doing martial arts when you were 3 years old (almost 4) or your profile is wrong. Except you come across as a very very young person. Perhaps i misinterpret the underlying tone in your posts.

Haveing 10 times the amount of techniques is horrible in a real fight. Your brain will take a dump and you'll lock up. Having a few responses to actions that are pre programmed responses is the best way to go.

If i take your posts the wrong way I'm very sorry. But you come across as really really cocky. If you don't know wat your talking about. Present it as an opinion. Not the be all end all of martial arts wisdom

Yes Gom my profile is correct, I started martial arts at a very young age! In fact my cousin who is about 3 or 4 just started to take kick boxing lessons from Eric Nolan's martial arts academy.

And how do I sound cocky? I'm plainly stating my opinion on the subject at hand! There's no need to act like a jerk just because I gave my opinion.

Plus I'm not bragging about my experience or being cocky,I'm just saying that with experience and constant practice a large library of techniques become natural to perform, especially in a street fight. What, do you think I'm an idiot, my I'm well aware of the fact that if you think too much you're sure to fail! When you first start the martial arts you're supposed to continue to use your original street fighting sense until your martial training naturally takes over your original careless brawling tactics.

I assure you Gom, I wouldn't be posting on large forums like this if I didn't know what I was talking about, especially all of the contemporary martial artists on this forum who think real traditional martial arts are useless. In fact you can check out all of my other 102 posts on www.shaolinwolf.com!