William Cheung/Emin Boztepe

[Thai Bri]

This was exactly the reason (it is alleged) that Lee was asked to leave the school, jealousy, While he did not know as much technically as other students what he knew he knew well. I also agree that a large aspect of Lee's journey through JKD was due to not finishing WC (not all but a good portion). I always think it is funny when I see WC the art practiced by Bruce Lee when these are the same people that wanted him to leave the school becuase of his talent.

I of course was not there to verify and neither were the people that told me the story so who knows. I heard one story about Lee after creating JKD and going back to HK met with Yip Man to discuss his new style, they sparred and Lee was embarrassed. Another, was that toward the end Lee went back to WC and practed sui lim tao daily. Again who can say what is true.

Come on man. Stuff like this is straight from dream land.

[Dim Wit Moc]

It seems to me that if someone is itching for a fight so bad, they show up at the other guys dojo with some guys to cover their back like Bozetepe did. Someone might end up with a spear in his neck like Count Dante's buddy, but when people are pissed off, stuff happens.

[guy incognito]

I looked up the fight between those two and all that I saw was two guys gettin intimate.Everyone says that there was other footage of William Cheung on the ass end of an ass kicking but in what I saw no-one was getting their ass kicked!Can anyone tell me where to find this ellusive footage?

[IPON]

Come on man. Stuff like this is straight from dream land.

Well Bri I guess you need to tell me how I am dreaming.

1. Lee did not complete WC training, that is nothing new

2. as a result his technical knowlege of WC was lower than the other (senior) students. But he was a better fighter. When I started TSD I could only sparr with teh BB and one red because there other s could not handle me. However, though I could beat a BB or red they were still my superior interm of the technical knowlege of TSD (Tang Soo Do). I would think that is logical.

3. Lee has never completed, to my knowlege an entire system of MA, WC was his preferred style. When he came to the US he was a WC stylist and he had great opportunity to learn other styles. I am not saying if he finished WC JKD (in some form) would not have been created. I am simply saying that he had a lot of questions concerning MAs which caused his journey, some of those questions would have been answered if he were able to finish WC training. While I do not feel JKD is a true style rather than concepts for fighting. Regardless, the techniques he used to explained the comcepts was basically a modified form of WC (not modified WC) about 70-80% WC techniques in JKD

4. I do think it is ironic that most WC people drop Lee's name, particularly that instructors that trained in teh school with him. With the assumption that the reason he was forced to leave the school was ultimately due jealousy of the other students. All is hearsay, I was not there none of us were and I indicated that so where is the dreaming??

[Thai Bri]

Yes, he finished early and didn't learn the full system.... but so what? That doesn't substantiate anything you said in the quotation I posted from you.

[IPON]

Yes, he finished early and didn't learn the full system.... but so what? That doesn't substantiate anything you said in the quotation I posted from you.

Bri Sorry my friend but you need to be more specific I don't understand what you are refering to. I tried to explain in the previous post but you are telling me that I have not substantiating something that I indicated we hearsay, rumors and that I did not know the truth.

[sherwinc]

Well Bri I guess you need to tell me how I am dreaming.

1. Lee did not complete WC training, that is nothing new

2. as a result his technical knowlege of WC was lower than the other (senior) students. But he was a better fighter. When I started TSD I could only sparr with teh BB and one red because there other s could not handle me. However, though I could beat a BB or red they were still my superior interm of the technical knowlege of TSD (Tang Soo Do). I would think that is logical.

3. Lee has never completed, to my knowlege an entire system of MA, WC was his preferred style. When he came to the US he was a WC stylist and he had great opportunity to learn other styles. I am not saying if he finished WC JKD (in some form) would not have been created. I am simply saying that he had a lot of questions concerning MAs which caused his journey, some of those questions would have been answered if he were able to finish WC training. While I do not feel JKD is a true style rather than concepts for fighting. Regardless, the techniques he used to explained the comcepts was basically a modified form of WC (not modified WC) about 70-80% WC techniques in JKD

4. I do think it is ironic that most WC people drop Lee's name, particularly that instructors that trained in teh school with him. With the assumption that the reason he was forced to leave the school was ultimately due jealousy of the other students. All is hearsay, I was not there none of us were and I indicated that so where is the dreaming??

true, this is also i thought, that Jeet Kune Do 80% is a modified form of WingChun KungFu, the reason why its concepts, wooden dummy, simple, direct, and to the point.

the remaining 20% is a mix of Wrestling, MuayThai, Savate, Boxing.....


Majority: Jeet Kune Do is a Modified form of WingChun KungFu

[guy incognito]

Anyway back to the actual topic.Can any give links to to footage where Bozetepe is dishing out a ring kicking to Cheung or is it as I suspect that there is none?

[Thai Bri]

Bri Sorry my friend but you need to be more specific I don't understand what you are refering to. I tried to explain in the previous post but you are telling me that I have not substantiating something that I indicated we hearsay, rumors and that I did not know the truth.

I saidd that stuff was form dream land. I did not say you were dreaming. It just seems a pointless post. Like the moon is made of cheese......

[IPON]

Anyway back to the actual topic.Can any give links to to footage where Bozetepe is dishing out a ring kicking to Cheung or is it as I suspect that there is none?

Guy there was a clip on one the threads, I think Bri or Tameo provided it. It was a few secs and like you say you couldn't tell either way.

[IPON]

Bri - OK I think I understand and perhaps I was rambling a bit. The overall point I was making is not to have a closed mind regarding the instructor style or MA in genneral. The debate regards the various lineages under Yip Man, but there are lineages other than Yip Man. I was not sure that people realized that.

[Thai Bri]

Fair enough. I certainly didn't!

[scafpilot]

Cheung?

So what's really up with this guy? I've read just about everything that I could find on Cheung. Does his school have a good reputation? I've read his entire Australia school web site. Is that 2yr program good? Anyone know first hand?

I really don't agree with the way that whole "jump" went down. The video looks like that's exactly what happened... a jump. Not saying I know any of the TRUTH about that soap opera, but that just made boztepeee (whatever) look bad.

[Thai Bri]

Whereas, of course, Cheung the Invincible came out smelling of roses.

Well, certainly the compost!

[scafpilot]

damn.

Okay, I guess I should have stated that Cheung looks like a little girl rolling around on the ground trying not to get hit. Damn you ThaiBrit! Gettin' the bad guy to come out of me. I was doing so well to stay neutral. But really, come on, that whole thing was just lame! What happened to plain ol' good scraps? F*** the cameras and the talk and the spectators in this case (inter style quarrel). Two guys, one leaves a looser and is usually quiet from then on. Yea Yea, here comes the heirarchy / generation crap.

Just throw a V. Silva in there... now that would be funny!

Still lookin' for first hand info on that TWC 2yr AUS deal. Anyone know of its reputation?