tkd is effective if done right

[Piston]

*Edit* Whoops I quoted the wrong person, this is a reply to Emptyness

To answer you heres two reasons:

WTF TKD up until very recently counted kicks and only kicks, as a way of scoring, and what many WTF stylists say is that the low hands brings their extra weight closer to the centre of gravity and thus enables them to turn quicker. I personally don't think this is much of an excuse, as an ITF practitioner I find i turn quick enough with my hands up, the key being having one's knees fairly close when you turn, enabling quicker hip movement.

The second reason is that having the hand there provides protection along the abs. If you look almost all the kicks are towards the stomach/chest area using whats called in TKD terminology a turning kick. Having ones abs protected means that the oponent cannot score a hit in that area with a side kick quickly.

Hope that provided a little insight

[blitz]

These arguments are ridiculous.

CLOONEY your supposes and what ifs and guess work is not helping make TKD look good. Posts like yours just make it look worse, you have no idea what you are talking about. The way you post sounds like wishful thinking and just makes TKD look silly. While you are guessing, the rest of us are living it man. Dont post like that. If you have real life experience about something than post it to support your argument, DONT GIVE OPINIONS based on what you THINK may happen. AND Tan01 DIDNT threaten you, sheesh, go back and read his small post, he didnt threaten you.

MUAYTHAIGUY, The WORST TKD in the world can be found in KOREA. They are the creators of the MCDOJO (or MCDOJANG)

TKD is ridiculed because 80% of our students are little kids and middle aged parents, Im sorry but we do not portray a hard core tough image when only a small fraction of our students are hard core. AND we are ridiculed in part due to the jealousy we garner for being so big and making so much money. The trade off of course is that we are big and making money due to all the kids and middle aged parents.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

We need more people like this arguing with us..

[Clooneytkd]

These arguments are ridiculous.

CLOONEY your supposes and what ifs and guess work is not helping make TKD look good. Posts like yours just make it look worse, you have no idea what you are talking about. The way you post sounds like wishful thinking and just makes TKD look silly. While you are guessing, the rest of us are living it man. Dont post like that. If you have real life experience about something than post it to support your argument, DONT GIVE OPINIONS based on what you THINK may happen. AND Tan01 DIDNT threaten you, sheesh, go back and read his small post, he didnt threaten you.

MUAYTHAIGUY, The WORST TKD in the world can be found in KOREA. They are the creators of the MCDOJO (or MCDOJANG)

TKD is ridiculed because 80% of our students are little kids and middle aged parents, Im sorry but we do not portray a hard core tough image when only a small fraction of our students are hard core. AND we are ridiculed in part due to the jealousy we garner for being so big and making so much money. The trade off of course is that we are big and making money due to all the kids and middle aged parents.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

they arnt guesses and what ifs becuase i actually do tkd. "im living it man" if i cant say the things i want to about the martial art im doing and express my opinions and or know how, why the hell do i live in the united states, when did america turn communist? your basically contradicting yourself by saying all that stuff about how i dont know anything, because i do know and im still learning. and as for tkd "not looking good" to other martial artist, yeah, like they have alot of respect for it in the first place.every one disapproves of it and they feel its a joke and i know many reasons why. by showing that video clip i gave more people a glimpse of what tkd should be like, maybe giving it a little justice in a sense. by you down grading me and bassically calling me an idiot you pretty much accomplished nothing.im not going to change my opinions because it makes tkd look silly, tkd does that for me. you should be with me not against me if your so worried on how tkd looks. but im sure your a money whore like all martial arts instructors so its just your job to preach and tell people what there doing wrong because you know everything. or at least you think you do. i maybe younger than you but at least im realistic. you seem to think everyone will agree with your outlook and your opinions.
im sorry i didnt feel like buying your shrine and bowing to it.

[blitz]

I'll be honest.. That clip sucked.. I've seen much better TKD Clips which make me want to change my mind about it, this however, made me dislike it even more.

[kuk sool won]

they arnt guesses and what ifs becuase i actually do tkd. "im living it man" if i cant say the things i want to about the martial art im doing and express my opinions and or know how, why the hell do i live in the united states, when did america turn communist? your basically contradicting yourself by saying all that stuff about how i dont know anything, because i do know and im still learning. and as for tkd "not looking good" to other martial artist, yeah, like they have alot of respect for it in the first place.every one disapproves of it and they feel its a joke and i know many reasons why. by showing that video clip i gave more people a glimpse of what tkd should be like, maybe giving it a little justice in a sense. by you down grading me and bassically calling me an idiot you pretty much accomplished nothing.im not going to change my opinions because it makes tkd look silly, tkd does that for me. you should be with me not against me if your so worried on how tkd looks. but im sure your a money whore like all martial arts instructors so its just your job to preach and tell people what there doing wrong because you know everything. or at least you think you do. i maybe younger than you but at least im realistic. you seem to think everyone will agree with your outlook and your opinions.
im sorry i didnt feel like buying your shrine and bowing to it.

I like this line here "by you down grading me and bassically calling me an idiot you pretty much accomplished nothing"

Now, follow it up with the lines "but im sure your a money whore like all martial arts instructors so its just your job to preach and tell people what there doing wrong because you know everything. or at least you think you do. i maybe younger than you but at least im realistic. you seem to think everyone will agree with your outlook and your opinions."

What do we have? A hypocrite!!!!

"yeah, like they have alot of respect for it in the first place.every one disapproves of it and they feel its a joke"

Im a traditional Kuk Sool Won practioner therefore i am included in the 'they' department, i think TKD is a brilliant art, something many people should cross train in so i guess EVERYONE doesn't disaprove of it. Let me tell you something, people are a lot less vocal when they are satisifed, thats why you never hear that many people say its a great art, those that disaprove make a big thing about it and thats where this great ordeal is. Every art has its disadvantages, i don't think the Muay Thai great is exactly great, its leaves itself open to some many body blows, i much prefer a contant moving guard because it keeps your opponent guess, anyways like i said, every styles has its downs, live with it.

[muaythaiguy15]

My instructor charges 10 dollars a class for BJJ and 15 a class for MT. Both classes are 3 hours long. Better than 1600 a year to jump and roll and watch rich black belts count thier money as they sell out martial arts.

I come from a pretty western style background, but it really does disgust me that they do this. Im not saying no good fighters come from these places, but most of the time they dont.

So I say screw TKD and Karate places that do shit like that. I remember growing up watching Karate Kid and being like damn that school is hardcore! Now I watch a class and there are blackbelts just tumbling and throwing awful punchs and kicks as an instructor who is overweight and sloppy looking says "punch! kick"

TKD isnt what it should be. If you do chop it up and use only the basics, its pretty much MT with a different stance.

[Acitic]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cS8vvlKgzPQ

how can people say tkd is ineffective after watching something like this. a couple people get knocked out, and they are prepared for kicks to be coming at them. thats a large part of tkd.

Dude thats the thing they aren't prepared! Their hands are down at their sides. They set themself up to be knocked out.

Personally, i do taekwon-do. I think is effective. I got into a fight yesterday actually, and i did use turning kicks to his stomach. But i knocked him out with a punch to the face.

[Piston]

TKD isnt what it should be. If you do chop it up and use only the basics, its pretty much MT with a different stance.

Oh no, no, no, no, no. MT with a different stance....? You must have seen some piss-awful TKD man. I'm not going into depth about MT vs. TKD because its been done to death on these forums.

I get quite a good deal with my TKD classes. £24 every month and I can go to as many TAGB classes as I like, good value no?

[Piston]

I liked the video Acitic especailly the little "knee to face ownage" thing. But neither of you seemed very aggressive, was that cuz it was your mate or the freezing cold? You crazy little mofo, "It's snowing and colder than my mother-in-law outside, fancy a fight?"
"Sure!"

[Acitic]

I liked the video Acitic especailly the little "knee to face ownage" thing. But neither of you seemed very aggressive, was that cuz it was your mate or the freezing cold? You crazy little mofo, "It's snowing and colder than my mother-in-law outside, fancy a fight?"
"Sure!"

ya he was my mate.... i didn't want him to forget i kicked his ass. He thought he was try tough so i didn't want to beat the crap out if him. i removed the link from my post hoping no one saw it. but i will repost link

http://www.arniscalgary.com/jonvsjonah.wmv


well and it was fricken cold! my hands were so numb after.

[Damian Mavis]

CLOONEY..... I didnt tell you not to post, I told you not to post the way you did. And your second post was hard to understand but I'll try to respond to the points I could pick out.

America turned communist? News flash little dude, I'm Canadian and I'm posting from Thailand, not everyone is American.

By "living it" I meant I'm someone, like many others, that doesnt need to guess about how TKD works in the street. Your training TKD so you're living it? Eh, ya ok. Look, I meant that I've successfully used TKD in street defence situations and I've stepped into the muay thai ring in Thailand and knocked my opponent out with a TKD technique. I know enough about real applications of TKD to not have to guess and when I debate with someone about those topics I use my real life experiences, when you post about what you think and what you guess would happen it just looks foolish.

Damian Mavis
Honour TKD

[Jon Masaya]

Are we arguing over "effectiveness"? What do we mean by that? If you mean in a real-life self defense situation, then the the most effective way is gouging out someones eyes and kicking them in the nuts (or running away!). If we mean in a sport environment, it's repeatedly shown that cross-training multiple arts is the most effective. Each art exists seperately, and bickering over which is "better" is a waste of your energy. Everyone has to find which styles fit best with their body. I personally think sticking to one form is very limiting.

Oh, and for the record: Muay Thai is better. Hahaha.

[gabbah]

ya he was my mate.... i didn't want him to forget i kicked his ass. He thought he was try tough so i didn't want to beat the crap out if him. i removed the link from my post hoping no one saw it. but i will repost link

http://www.arniscalgary.com/jonvsjonah.wmv


well and it was fricken cold! my hands were so numb after.

Hehe yup u sure kicked his ass
But weren't u guys afraid of like braking a nose or hurt your hands?

[osopardo]

Everyone can learn something from Chang's post.

Yeah, what he said!

[osopardo]

Olympic TKD is an embarrassment to those of us who hold any TKD BB rank.

I'm too old and too out of shape and too fat from going over to the pizza joint next door, but at least I keep my guard up, maintain a solid stable base and use the fists whenever possible.