what grappeling arts are the best for mma and self-defense

[Great Sage]

Sorry this is the mma thread and you run knife attackers over with your car, i forgot

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea... Let me guess, you would get out, disarm the assailant, kick his @ss and spit in his face... Where do we sign up?

[BoarSpear]

actually i studied bjj under matt serra....rodrigo fracie and a black belt under him.....i currently have a blue belt.I studyed muay thai with a trainer who studied in thailand at fairtex....studied boxing under a national golden gloves champ.....wrestled in junior high and high school and had a 53-5 record....13-0 in grappling tourneys...3-0 muay thai and 2-1 in boxing.....challenge matchs/smokers undefeated with at least over 50 wins.I now train from time to time at SBG and enjoy it very much....i train my knife and stick offense and defense with some of my training partners....learned it from going to a knife n stick seminar and by watching tapes.....and i have trained in martial arts for almost 11 years now and also study a variety of other styles but those are basicly my main ones.I blend hand 2 hand and weapons together to try and make myself as complete as possible but i still know how dangerous those kind of situations can be so i make no false claims saying ill disarms anyone id run way before that.Excuse me for not being an "expert" knife fighter who has killed countless men and whose thirst for blood will never be quenched because everytime he takes a step outside someone trues to knife him....i live in queens ny i dunno where you live but i can tell u its not as bad as my neighborhood and noone ever pulled a knife on me.You must be damn good to survive all those attacks eh boarspear

Sounds like you have a good START on training, 11 whole years

i aint an expert either sonny, but i can realize that the average joe is no problem for a MMA guy. the same dude will probably give a TMA guy even more trouble. however i am smart enough to realize a guy with both types of training has an advantage over the guy with only one type training. a JKD guy ought to be the first person to realize that.

and no i aint all that, but most people who attack you arent skilled at anything and its not that hard to deal with an untrained idiot. However i dont believe in counting on the other guy being an incompetant boob. I try to challenge myself and my students to the best of my ability.

you hope you never find yourself facing armed multiple opponents, but if you get the unlucky flight, its better to die busy fighting than to die screaming for someone else to save you.

[BoarSpear]

nope your right about that they will toss a knife at the driver and hit him right in his neck thus causing him to lose control of his car while you run after him to grab his wallet and book it before the cops get there

gee now you are advocating knife throwing crackheads? Or are you saying YOU use your skills to mug people so you asume i do too...

running out of actual arguements now?

[Eyegouge]

I wish you would hurry up and kick the bucket boar, because i mean you gotta be at least 40 sumthing and you keep saying how many knife and gun fights your in. Your like clint Eastwood mixed with Rambo on crack. When will your luck run out?

[JkD187]

hate to break it to you buddy but 97% of the peopple you will ever meet on the street are average joes.If i may quote you from earlier you said something along the lines of "mma is more suited for bar fights,school fights,or kicking the average joes ass but i prepare for real self defense" so your basicly saying self defense is about defending knives guns/multi people??? 99.9% of the so called "streetfights" any civilian will ever have will be at a bar/club or at school or sum wanna be tough guy.Now unless you are a complete asshole who walks the streets at 12:00am in brooklyn and eyeballs people like they jus stole something from you will prob get attacked by multi people/weapons however most americans i know drive CARS so the possibility of getting attacked like that is about less then one percent.Maybe you are one of those unfortunate few get into a nightclub fight and the guy pulls out a blade.....what r u guna do try n disarms him or get the hell outta there??? i pick option 2 because chances are now less then 1% that this situation will ever happen again.

[BoarSpear]

Actually, that wouldn't be a bad idea... Let me guess, you would get out, disarm the assailant, kick his @ss and spit in his face... Where do we sign up?

Uh so you recommend when a guy pulls a knife on you to turn your back, shove your hand in your pocket, dig out your car keys, find the door key, sprint to the car, put the key in the lock, turn it, open the door, get in the car, close the door and start it up and run the guy over? Good plan...where did he pull the knife from another state? you dont have that kind of time, unless its Michael Myers after you

hey i dont ruin all the thought you have put in your knife defenses but you might have a better chance isolating that arm than running to your car

[BoarSpear]

I wish you would hurry up and kick the bucket boar, because i mean you gotta be at least 40 sumthing and you keep saying how many knife and gun fights your in. Your like clint Eastwood mixed with Rambo on crack. When will your luck run out?

havent been in either one in some time, hope to avoid any more of either though...and im neither clint nor rambo, but you MMA guys sure think you can handle anyone and anything because you participate in sports based on fighting with rules for money.

[JkD187]

ok lets get the full story.....when did u get into a knife/gun fight...when was it and how did you handle it....what events led up to the fight so on and so forth...??

[BoarSpear]

hate to break it to you buddy but 97% of the peopple you will ever meet on the street are average joes.If i may quote you from earlier you said something along the lines of "mma is more suited for bar fights,school fights,or kicking the average joes ass but i prepare for real self defense" so your basicly saying self defense is about defending knives guns/multi people??? 99.9% of the so called "streetfights" any civilian will ever have will be at a bar/club or at school or sum wanna be tough guy.Now unless you are a complete asshole who walks the streets at 12:00am in brooklyn and eyeballs people like they jus stole something from you will prob get attacked by multi people/weapons however most americans i know drive CARS so the possibility of getting attacked like that is about less then one percent.Maybe you are one of those unfortunate few get into a nightclub fight and the guy pulls out a blade.....what r u guna do try n disarms him or get the hell outta there??? i pick option 2 because chances are now less then 1% that this situation will ever happen again.

starting to see the light are you? Youre wastin youre time practicing for school yard scuffles and bar fights...those i can handle, if not i might get beat up however I was in the military, i survived, now i train our next generation to try to do the same thing. I aint worried about street thugs, I worry about rapes, hijackings, robberies, invasions. (home or country)

you know how after your 11 years in MMA you aint worried about a streetfight? well since I started training in 1963, neither am I, Ive moved on to look at the possibility of different threats. my threats are about as unlikely as yours, difference is, I train to face knife weilding opponents, your prepare to face a single unarmed guy in a contest with rules....which one is more likely to help in the 1% you wanna talk about?

SEE the major thing is you seem to think youre good enough, and you are comfortable with your skills in any possible scenario. i on the other hand have seen that you cant be too prepared for violence, im not comfy with my skills, and i never will be. Whatever i can do to bring up my own skills or those around me, i will do. If you had fun training, and never have to use it, it still paid off

[Eyegouge]

Boar, why do you care? and you prepair for rape? <- thats funny and you know if you rip some guys throat out and kill him just because he has a knife you're going to go to jail? Some guy who comes up to you and calls you a dick sucking fuckface, you can't just up and break his jaw and rip out his eyes boar. There are rules in this country just like there are in an MMA ring dude. Plus if your ex military and you have all the training your boasting. Your hands would be registered as leathal weapons and you fighting ANY guy on the street would get you thrown in jail.

[BoarSpear]

ok lets get the full story.....when did u get into a knife/gun fight...when was it and how did you handle it....what events led up to the fight so on and so forth...??

I already explained the the knife encounter that taught me the most in another thread, i will find it and post a link. other than that, i had several idiot british street punks attack me in the early 80's while on leave for hooking up with a local girl, the 3 of them had a pole and brick and a bottle...i had a couple knives.
i rushed them to get inside the pole (dude couldnt swing it without hitting his buds) the dude threw the rock, it missed i popped him in the leg with the blade and went for bottle boy who ran, pole boy followed suit, i hauled ass the other direction.

had i not practiced for shit like that, i probably would have gotten beaned with the pole...it wasnt my turf, outrunning them wasnt an option...good thing i practiced the FMA's not bjj huh?

[JkD187]

alright keyboad comando w.e you say.....any true martial artist would never be comfortable with where he's at and neither am i...i look to improve myself in my skills.I dont worry about any of that shit....i train for it once in awhile but thats about it....i train for competion yes...for fun yes...to stay in shape yes...do i train in it because im afarid of a coke head with a knife? hell no why bc in all likely hood it will not happen its a billion in one chance.you also said word for word "I aint worried about street thugs, I worry about rapes, hijackings, robberies, invasions. (home or country)" wtf are you smoking buddy street thugs are the ones who will rob you and invade your home.If you rather train for rape (yea im sure a guy will get raped u damn weirdo)hijackings (yea im sure your plane or van or bus or car w.e will be the one to get jacked by terrorists) and home invasions (beter get those knifes ready) then be my guest but dont go crying to sensei when what he says dose not come true.Your the badass guy who talks all the shit and then gets laid out by some meathead for bein to cocky in the streets.

[Eyegouge]

i second. ^

[JkD187]

wow nice story boar im pretty sure you practiced that exact same scenario over and over till u perfected it along with mind reading skills so u can predict any attack before the person makes it.....wow you rushed a guy with a pole big deal anyone with common sense knows how to do that one .....fma are not the only ones who use that defense....and actually im sure as hell that you will have a reply for this one but that exact same defense is in the gracie jiu jitsu self defense videos and i have that video right here on my computer tough guy.....now lets see what you say bout that 1 buddy.

[BoarSpear]

Boar, why do you care? and you prepair for rape? <- thats funny and you know if you rip some guys throat out and kill him just because he has a knife you're going to go to jail? Some guy who comes up to you and calls you a dick sucking fuckface, you can't just up and break his jaw and rip out his eyes boar. There are rules in this country just like there are in an MMA ring dude. Plus if your ex military and you have all the training your boasting. Your hands would be registered as leathal weapons and you fighting ANY guy on the street would get you thrown in jail.

BWAHAHAHA Okay JR who sold you the registered deadly hands crap? Counte Dante? thats some funny shit second you just confused a bar fight with SD. If you fight over name callin youre a fool and a kid, if you fight over anything other than survival you're a criminal. you go ahead and break his arm when he calls you a faggot because of your multi colored hair and no fear shirt.
See how fast you get sued...now he cant work, he has no insurance so he loses his home and now his kids are homeless, all because you thought your bjj was gonna teach him a lesson...who is the fucking lowlife? I dont get in bar fights unless im at work, then im snatchin some pansy assed drunk little ring fighter off some drunk fat ass accountant ....now i know who you are.