Krav Maga vs. other arts

[Tant01]

... It's all watered down Judo anyway.

Actually....

Early Judo circa 1906> http://www.judoinfo.com/images/earlyjudo.gif

Look familar?

KM Co-founder Moni Aizik started training in Judo at age 6 in Amsterdam under the Dutch instructor Opa Schutte when his family moved to the Netherlands. He can trace his lineage straight to Kano Sensei...

[BoarSpear]

HEY Samurai... isnt this your quote from the military tactics thread?

If you had stated your credentials up front, I would have considered the source...my bad...i should know better than arguing on the net...since you never know who is on the other end

"lol this reminds me of people I know, my age (highschool age), who think they know everything about guns and are always saying all these fact and stuffs about their "AK's" haha... just kinda funny.

Personally I dont know shit all about guns, but thats ok cause I live in Canada Eh.

Its funny though how many people pretend to know things about weaponry/military tactics.

With that said Im still gonna post in here whenver I damn well feel like it!

(Even if I dont really know anything)
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I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me

Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters"


Your disclaimer seems to fit this thread so well i thought i would post it.

You didnt have too warn us you that you dont know anything... but you will keep posting anyway....we can read your posts...they speak for themselves. this little gem of info makes your earlier posts carry SOOOO much more weight.

[SamuraiGuy]

Seals protecting MY freedom, right you ignorant fucking american, do you assume everyone lives in america, or just that americans protect the entire world.

All seals do is serve to drive up the prices of my gas because you invade Iraq for the oil and then have to spend alot of money to protect it.

Maybe if your army and seals werent so busy murdering Iraqi civilians they wouldnt try to blow you dumbasses up.

I dont condone what terrorists do, but I dont support your military and government, just because George Bush's daddy didnt get Saddam out of Iraq he now thirsts for Iraqi blood and oil.

Protecting my freedom my ass....

[BoarSpear]

Seals protecting MY freedom, right you ignorant fucking american, do you assume everyone lives in america, or just that americans protect the entire world.

All seals do is serve to drive up the prices of my gas because you invade Iraq for the oil and then have to spend alot of money to protect it.

Maybe if your army and seals werent so busy murdering Iraqi civilians they wouldnt try to blow you dumbasses up.

I dont condone what terrorists do, but I dont support your military and government, just because George Bush's daddy didnt get Saddam out of Iraq he now thirsts for Iraqi blood and oil.

Protecting my freedom my ass....

WOW! touched a nerve huh? I guess since we established you know NOTHING about the Facts of the discussion you start name calling...You must be FRENCH Canadian.

i already said MY BAD...i missed the fact that you are a Canadian high school student... For the Record special forces have been used prior to the Bush Dynasty (for once we agree on something) Look my point is this...if a any special forces soldier is dumb enough to get in a ring and fight a pro boxer/ kickboxer/mma guy he is going to be in trouble. My problem is this bs comparison in the first place...followed up by your highly educated knife fight remarks. Its fine if you dont like The U.S. policy... neither do I , but try not to sound so much like an Al Qaeda recruiter.

[HtTKar]

Seals protecting MY freedom, right you ignorant fucking american, do you assume everyone lives in america, or just that americans protect the entire world.

Protecting my freedom my ass....

Your insulting an aweful lot of people here. Maybe its time to drop it. Canadian Mounties are not protecting canada from being taken over. Mexico could take canada over. Canada is not attacked because A.) they're a mostly peaceful, developed, trading nation and B.) America would destroy any country that so much as thought of attacking Canada.

This is about Krav against other arts. Your arguments about MMA-v-Navy seals is off topic and downward spiraling. There are MMA fighters in every country, many of them are in the Military protecting their country from foreign invaders. Most countries have to have an army because noone else is protecting them. Navy Seals and other special forces agents ARE MMA fighters. Really, tell me the difference if there is one.

[SamuraiGuy]

"You must be FRENCH Canadian." (BoarSpear)

So what If I am, I'm not, but what if I was?

Are you racist against the French people because they dont want to murder Iraqi civilians?

"Look my point is this...if a any special forces soldier is dumb enough to get in a ring and fight a pro boxer/ kickboxer/mma guy he is going to be in trouble."

Yeah I think thats what Ive been arguing all along.

"My problem is this bs comparison in the first place...followed up by your highly educated knife fight remarks."

I never said the MMA guy would win in a knife fight, find in my posts where it says that, you seem to be under that impression, in one of my posts I said if they were fighting on the street theyre would be no rules except the use of weapons because we are comparing their unarmed combat. But then I said, oh and if a seal pulls a knife (for more realistic purposes...) then the mma guy can have a knife too.

Im not saying the MMA guy suddenly pulls this knife, becomes Grand Master of Kali, and throws it through the guys neck, have it bounce of the wall and come back and stick in one of his kidneys...

Im just saying he has a knife...to level the playing field.

Besides, I dont sound like an Al Qaeda recruiter, I hate those bastards, I was recently in London riding the underground (subway) that they had just recently blown up, ive been to the aldgate station memorial and everyday I would wake up to see the fear/carnage/destruction they were causing or planning. Good thing they didnt get me we never would have had this great conversation

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This part of the post is for HtKar.

Who exactly am I insulting... the Navy Seals, im sure theyve never gotten up and said "TODAY, I WILL KILL A TERRORIST!, SO THAT HE DOESNT HARM SAMURAIGUY"

they arent doing it for me...

Your right Canadian Mounties arent protecting canada from being invaded.. they are protecting us from gangs like the hells angels which are extremely powerful in Canada.

Your A), and B) points are pretty much right.... so how does it feel to be the bodygaurd...

"Mexico could take canada over."

Bullshit, I hope you dont honestly believe that... Contrary to popular belief perpetrated by comedians.. canada does have an army. I happen to know someone in the Canadian military.. well 3 now I guess, but one person who has been in it for awhile.

Canadian soldiers are some of the best trained soldiers in the world, we just lack equipment, we can however get equipment if we need to quickly so its not that big of a problem.

I'd also like to mention, while we choose to have no nuclear bombs... because y'know its better for the world if we dont have things that will destroy it... we could get/make one pretty quickly, Im not sure about this so dont say Im stating it as a fact, but does Mexico have nukes?

Take over Canada my ass, hell you said it yourself america would squash them for us, and if not.... well... just call our buddys the russians... I'm sure theyd come help us.

[BoarSpear]

"You must be FRENCH Canadian." (BoarSpear)

So what If I am, I'm not, but what if I was?

Oh pardon me, no it wasnt so much your total lack of couth or common sense that caused me to think you are french, its more the lack of military understanding, thin skin and loud mouth.

Are you racist against the French people because they dont want to murder Iraqi civilians?

Again i am not racist...morons come in all shapes and COLORS.

"Look my point is this...if a any special forces soldier is dumb enough to get in a ring and fight a pro boxer/ kickboxer/mma guy he is going to be in trouble."

Yeah I think thats what Ive been arguing all along.

NO YOU were arguing MMA people would KILL
( not submit, not defeat, YOU said KILL)

"My problem is this bs comparison in the first place...followed up by your highly educated knife fight remarks."

I never said the MMA guy would win in a knife fight, find in my posts where it says that, you seem to be under that impression, in one of my posts I said if they were fighting on the street theyre would be no rules except the use of weapons because we are comparing their unarmed combat. But then I said, oh and if a seal pulls a knife (for more realistic purposes...) then the mma guy can have a knife too.

Agiain you imply the mma guy has some special gift...he does submission fighting AND is trained to out knife fight a SEAL...

Im not saying the MMA guy suddenly pulls this knife, becomes Grand Master of Kali, and throws it through the guys neck, have it bounce of the wall and come back and stick in one of his kidneys...

Im just saying he has a knife...to level the playing field.

NO JR you pretty much stated they could kill seals anywhere...that even in the street with an armed seal your hero the mma guy would win. (in the street with NO rules were your words)

Besides, I dont sound like an Al Qaeda recruiter, I hate those bastards, I was recently in London riding the underground (subway) that they had just recently blown up, ive been to the aldgate station memorial and everyday I would wake up to see the fear/carnage/destruction they were causing or planning. Good thing they didnt get me we never would have had this great conversation

You sound EXACTLY like an al qaeda recruiter...(IF american forces would stop murdering iraqi civilians for oil) that is what you said...and thats an al qaeda line.
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This part of the post is for HtKar.

Who exactly am I insulting... the Navy Seals, im sure theyve never gotten up and said "TODAY, I WILL KILL A TERRORIST!, SO THAT HE DOESNT HARM SAMURAIGUY"

they arent doing it for me...

Your right Canadian Mounties arent protecting canada from being invaded.. they are protecting us from gangs like the hells angels which are extremely powerful in Canada.

Your A), and B) points are pretty much right.... so how does it feel to be the bodygaurd...

"Mexico could take canada over."


Canadian soldiers are some of the best trained soldiers in the world, we just lack equipment, we can however get equipment if we need to quickly so its not that big of a problem.

-NOW thats funny...we have some of the best trained military in the world...uh we just lack equipment! Yeah thats sorta essential to military Jr, you are gonna get that equipment from where? in your little world we aint your friends....lucky for the rest of canada it aint your little world. see if we were NOT your friends and Mexico invaded... we probably wouldnt allow your "GOOD Friends the Russians" to supply you with the equipment for your wonderful little military.

I'd also like to mention, while we choose to have no nuclear bombs... because y'know its better for the world if we dont have things that will destroy it... we could get/make one pretty quickly,

Oh...you can "get nukes" whenever you want huh? More of your deluded Russian Fantasies? once again for the slow guy...if the Canadians were not our allies, I ASSURE YOU, YOU WOULD NOT RECIEVE NUKES FROM THE RUSSIANS...ever heard of the Cuban Missle crisis? Castro had the same idea you do...it didnt work for him either. Oh wait i see you are just gonna build em...yeah thats so quick and easy....you are gonna need componenets, which you will have to import....notice a pattern skippy? if we were the big bad assholes you make us out to be you would be screwed...alas we're not...youre just a pissed off high school kid from Canada...

Im not sure about this so dont say Im stating it as a fact, but does Mexico have nukes?

ROFL...boy you really are an expert on military matters...does Mexico have nukes...at least canada does produce comedians...

Take over Canada my ass, hell you said it yourself america would squash them for us, and if not.... well... just call our buddys the russians... I'm sure theyd come help us.

OH so you DO sit safe and sound uder the protective wing of the United States Of America's Military! . In that case just so you know the Seals are a part of the NAVY, BTW the Navy is the guys who ride around in/on boats... and they are a part of ... the MILITARY! so guess what jr, maybe some seal has protected your pompous little ass...aint freedom grand?

To close...if you want to discuss this any further, start your own thread and rant away...ill be happy to drop in and chat...but lets return this thread to the original discussion.

[SamuraiGuy]

"its more the lack of military understanding, thin skin and loud mouth."

So you thought I was french because I have a lack of military understanding, thin skin (how the hell would you know how thin my skin is) and loud mouth... right because all french people are loud mouth people with thin skin who have no military understanding... shit... you know that one guy napoleon.. oh wait, he could never have military understanding.. my bad.

" NO YOU were arguing MMA people would KILL
( not submit, not defeat, YOU said KILL)"

Look how what context I said it in asshole, maybe if I replaced the term kill with "smoke, rape, own, destroy, dominate" you may get my point.. I didnt say they would actually KILL them as in cause death.. stupid knob... why would a MMA guy suddenly start causing deaths in the ring, in the entire history of UFC theyre hasnt been a death.. maybe if you knew some shit about that youd realize kill was a figure of speech dumbass.

" Agiain you imply the mma guy has some special gift...he does submission fighting AND is trained to out knife fight a SEAL..."

I never implied that, you simply chose to infer whatever bullshit you want to from posts... I simply said "if the seal had a knife to make it more realistic then the MMA guy would have a knife as well"... oh wait here are my exact words buttfuck.

"I realize knives could be pulled but we are comparing their unarmed combat so you cant bring knives into the equasion, or if you really want to for the total street thing we can just assume the MMA guy also has a knife"

now read the part about the knife, "assume the MMA guy also has a knife"

notice its not, assume he has a knife, and ultra knife fighting abilities... just that.

If I was fighting an expert knife fighter... and I had no knife training.... me having a knife wouldnt even the playing field, but it would be alot better than me having no knife at all. Thats my point cock gobbler, read what I right not what you want to read.


"O JR you pretty much stated they could kill seals anywhere...that even in the street with an armed seal your hero the mma guy would win. (in the street with NO rules were your words)"

no I implied in unarmed combat with no rules, remember I specified that... I said we are comparing their unarmed combat abilities... IN THE STREET WITH NO RULES... those were my words.. but you left out the part where I said in unarmed combat.... see you just pick and chose little bits to make your arguments you dont look at the whole thing moron.

"You sound EXACTLY like an al qaeda recruiter...(IF american forces would stop murdering iraqi civilians for oil) that is what you said...and thats an al qaeda line."

I sound exactly eh, so youve been listening to them, you know all the Al Qaeda lines? you been attending their little recruitment meetings you fucking douche.

"-NOW thats funny...we have some of the best trained military in the world...uh we just lack equipment! Yeah thats sorta essential to military Jr, you are gonna get that equipment from where? in your little world we aint your friends....lucky for the rest of canada it aint your little world. see if we were NOT your friends and Mexico invaded... we probably wouldnt allow your "GOOD Friends the Russians" to supply you with the equipment for your wonderful little military."

You wouldnt allow the russians to help us, why would you get involved in a war where you have no part, oh wait, your a fucking warmonger douche just like your president. Besides to fight mexico , we have enough equipment to do that, its not like their some huge military force dumbass.

"Oh...you can "get nukes" whenever you want huh? More of your deluded Russian Fantasies? once again for the slow guy...if the Canadians were not our allies, I ASSURE YOU, YOU WOULD NOT RECIEVE NUKES FROM THE RUSSIANS...ever heard of the Cuban Missle crisis? Castro had the same idea you do...it didnt work for him either. Oh wait i see you are just gonna build em...yeah thats so quick and easy....you are gonna need componenets, which you will have to import....notice a pattern skippy? if we were the big bad assholes you make us out to be you would be screwed...alas we're not...youre just a pissed off high school kid from Canada..."

Where would we get the nukes, I never said wed get them from the russians, we can make them fuckbag, we know how to do that shit, hell weve got fuckign nuclear reactors in hospitals here for cancer treatment, think we dont know how to put together a bomb, weve got everything we need, we dont need to import shit, stop being such an arrogant fool thinking Canada doesnt have the means to make or get nukes, even if you were trying to stop us. Hell fricking North Korea can have nukes and were a bit stronger a nation then them fucker. We just choose not to have nukes because we dont have to worry about people blowing us up because were not the fucking king douchebags of the world like americans like you make it.

"OH so you DO sit safe and sound uder the protective wing of the United States Of America's Military! . In that case just so you know the Seals are a part of the NAVY, BTW the Navy is the guys who ride around in/on boats... and they are a part of ... the MILITARY! so guess what jr, maybe some seal has protected your pompous little ass...aint freedom grand?"

I never denied we use your military.. we use your money, we use your people to die for us, and your telling me you are the better country?
Your the ones who spend your money, your the ones who die, your the ones stupid enough to let us use you, fucking cockgobblers, its like who would you rather be the celebrity everyone loves, or the dumb **** bodygaurd who protects them.

"To close...if you want to discuss this any further, start your own thread and rant away...ill be happy to drop in and chat...but lets return this thread to the original discussion"

I would be happy to start a new thread. Ill post it in the open access forum ok? Hopefully you wont get distracted by something shiny while you go down to click there, you'll know which thread it is.

[eXcessiveForce]

Moderator:


enough already, good god.


Remember everyone is entitled to their opinion. You don't have to agree. But please remain civil.

This moronic argument ends here.

[SamuraiGuy]

HEY!, did you remove my "BoarSpear is a douche" thread in Open Access...

Ah well, I'll let it go, no point arguing over the internet anyway.

[eXcessiveForce]

Yup, sho nuff!

[Cyclops]

Yes please, Let's get back on-topic.

[Tant01]

.....you ignorant fucking american, do you assume everyone lives in america, or just that americans protect the entire world.

All seals do is serve to drive up the prices of my gas because you invade Iraq for the oil and then have to spend alot of money to protect it.

Maybe if your army and seals werent so busy murdering Iraqi civilians they wouldnt try to blow you dumbasses up.

I dont condone what terrorists do, but I dont support your military and government, just because George Bush's daddy didnt get Saddam out of Iraq he now thirsts for Iraqi blood and oil.

Protecting my freedom my ass....

Ignorant indeed.... you think the US Army is there to kill Iraqi civilians and the that's why they they want to blow us up?



And that the primary motive is OIL? Revenge? Bloodlust?


That's so messed up I don't know where to start.... You might want to look at the facts about the dictator on trail in Iraq for crimes against HUMANITY.

You know the guy... WE KILLED HIS SONS (civilians) a while back...



You remind me of that fat bastard Michael Moore.

[SamuraiGuy]

So the dictator is up for crimes against humanity.... I suppose George Bush should be up for crimes against humanity too... I mean he was the one who sent troops to Iraq, innocent people got killed....

Saddam Hussein kept his troops in Iraq, innocent people got killed...

hmmmm... whats the difference? Oh right George Bush won the war.

Most leaders in wars commit crimes against humanity, and its the victor who writes history and says what is a crime.

Do you think all the nazi war criminals would be war criminals if the Germans had won, no, theyd be military heros, and the people who bombed japan would be the war criminals.

Do you really belive Oil wasnt a major point of going into Iraq?

"you think the US Army is there to kill Iraqi civilians and the that's why they they want to blow us up? "

Yes im sure a few terrorist plots have been hatched due to america being in Iraq. If you were an Iraqi, and your house just got destroyed, your family killed by americans, when you never did anyone to harm anything, what would you do, say, oh its ok.... the americans just missed a bit, no you would want revenge, you have nothing to live for, therefore you organize a terrorist threat.

Also, Osama Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda were directly linked to the bombings in London, they said the bombings would continue until British forces were no longer in Iraq. Yeah... Im sure what went on in Iraq never caused one terrorist threat.


Once again I hate the terrorists and I think what they do is stupid... just try not to keep your eyes so closed, and believe everything your government tells you.