Matt Furey "Seminar"

[Szczepankiewicz]

"Defend Yourself - Defend America." That's the title of the BOOTCAMP
seminar I'll be conducting here in Tampa, Florida, December 7-9.

In this bootcamp you'll learn the A-Z of dirty street fighting
take-no-prisoners techniques that will help you not only defend yourself and
your loved ones, but our country as well.

There will be no messing around with flowery tactics that only work on
the putz. Everything taught will be nasty, violent, vicious and in many
cases, deadly. You will learn the most effective NO B.S. tactics taught
to me by Karl Gotch, as well as those used by the Chinese military (one
of my best friends in China is the son of a general).

Due to the nature of this bootcamp, enrollment will be strictly
limited. Those who attend MUST qualify.

Please email me at once and we'll send you more information, along
with an application form. Last May I held a one-hour dirty fighting
secrets seminar in Dayton, Ohio, and at $100 per person, it sold out
immediately. This seminar was held prior to the seminar I taught on Bridging
Gymnastics and the Farmer Burns toeholds.

This bootcamp will not be one hour. It will be THREE DAYS. And once
again, it should fill up fast. So don't delay. Send me an email right
now. Include your name, address, telephone, FAX and email address.

Also, if you are an existing customer, please tell what products you
have already purchased from our company.

Again, this bootcamp should fill up fast and enrollment is strictly
limited. All attendees must qualify. We don't want any scum attending and
using these tactics against us or our country.

Sincerely,

Matt Furey

P.S. This is the last seminar I will be doing this year ... and because
I rarely do seminars that are open to the public anymore, this bootcamp
may be the only chance you get to train with me personally. Email at
once and we'll see if you can attend. No one is guaranteed a spot. You
must qualify and we'll be studying each person who enrolls very carefully
to make sure no slime bags get in.



Copyright, 2001, Matt Furey Enterprises, Inc. - All Rights Reserved

[Atomic]

*YAWN*

That's nice. I'm sure he'll be there hawking his $50 tapes and overly priced Farmer Burns courses, which are just reprints of what you can get from a legit guy I know of (who lives in MI).

[Szczepankiewicz]

You bet. Sell, sell, sell. This guy intrigued me when I first started to read about him, but all he is to me know is another telemarketer trying to push all kinds of crap I don't need.


"Send us your check and we will make you a martial arts god!"

[Mr. Miyagi]

People who practice catch wrestling claim that it is the oldest and most effective form of submission wrestling and that it is the most effective form of submission wrestling because it does not rely on the opponent's clothing. Maybe it's the oldest, but neither I nor most other martial artists would have ever heard of it if not for the Brazilian Juijitsu explosion. This catch wrestling art capitalized on the success of BJJ and that's the only reason the martial arts world has even heard of it. I wonder about how effective it truly is because I've never seen a catch wrestler compete in the top ranks of MMA or even sport grappling. Until I see a few guys from this "extremely effective" art I will continue to be skeptical. Maybe Brazlian Juijitsu is taught with a gi but I see BJJ guys do quite well without using their opponent's clothing all the time in MMA and submission grappling events.

Now on to Matt Furey. If people claim that his fitness/flexibility ideas are useful then I believe them. Personally, if I had to choose between Frank Shamrock's home workout and all of Furey's stuff, even without knowing what comprises either, I would pick Frank Shamrock's workout because it seems like he is in the better position to show true martial arts conditioning and useful exercises. The hulking 165 pound Joe Hurley posted on the UG forum once about how he attended one of Furey's seminars once and they rolled for about twenty minutes in which there were two tapouts: both of them Furey tapping to Hurley's armbar from the guard. Furey has been enormously critical of the usefullness of the guard in the past and it's funny how he failed to be competent at defending it against a much smaller man. On top of that Furey quit due to fatigue at that point which is ironic for someone who does bodyweight excericses that claim to give him more stamina than conventional training. In any case I would like to ask why Furey is given pages to write articles in most of the major martial arts magazines. Let's be reasonable; for the topics he writes about (grappling and conditioning) he hasn't really ever proven that he is a leading authority on either. Furey writing a monthly column in so many martial arts magazines makes about as much sense as having Royce Gracie write a column in Good Housekeeping, which is none at all.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Maybe someone should recruit a camera crew and go work Furey at one of his seminars. That would either credit Furey with a success, or chase him out if he is a fraud.


Time to put up or shut up? I think so.

[Ryu (JKD?)]

You know I've been thinking.
How many of these instructors would actually have respect in their field if they did not claim to be unbeatable, have the stamina of 10 men, etc.?

Is it Furey's art that loses respect? Or simply his attitude?
I'm thinking that if "instructors" were nice individuals who were humble and didn't claim they were invincible, they might get more respect. Anyone agree?

Ryu

[Szczepankiewicz]

I totally agree with you. I never said that Furey's training method's didn't interest me. As a matter of fact, it's why this thread and several others were posted.

HOWEVER, I get bombarded in his "NO B.S. Fitness emails" by constant messages to buy his products and sign up for "exclusive" information.

I do enjoy the information about training, and I think the guy has a valid message, but he reminds me of a used car salesman.


But a man's gotta eat.

SZ

[jbkenpo]

Hindu Squats

I've seen a couple of his tapes and the hindu squats and jumpers are no joke. They had my thighs burning like crazy. He seemed nice enough on the video and non-assuming. Didn't really sense any ego. He was pretty funny and act like he was talking down to the audience. But that was combat conditioning and not self defense. That could be another story.

jb

[keithws]

Saw a post with Furey doing a hindu squat on another forum. It was funnier than hell cause the guy was wearing bikini underwear with purple and black spots.

I'm not one to bash other martial arts because I think most are effective if the teacher makes students spar and actually apply their techniques while defending themselves. Like Tyson said, "everybody has a game plan until they get hit"!

But, I think it's humorous when some martial artist tells me how'd he'd poke my eyes, bite, pressure point, etc if I used my guard or mount or got too close.

Do they not think that we don't have the capabilities of biting or poking someon in the eyes. Believe me, if some fukker uses these "dirty tactics" , I'm going to oblidge them and return the favor. Except, I'll have a far more advantages position on the ground.

I don't know anything about catch wrestling but I sure know I don't need to spend money on learning how to bite or poke eyes.

later on dudes...

[Szczepankiewicz]

I have been doing the "navy seal" workout that was posted on one of the other threads. I believe the squats are the similar and they do kick my butt.


Matt Furey has a lot of good ideas and looks at things from a totally different perspective. The thing I am beginning to dread is that he is constantly selling, selling, selling.

Want information, better pony up the dough.

I compare this with my sensei. He charges just enough ($35/month) to keep the doors open, and it is a second job for him. He teaches for love of the martial art and to keep his skills current/improving.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Gracies and the classic McDojos have the right to make money the way they have been, but I think the focus is often more on money than on the art.

[flyinclockchoke]

What I don't understand is...

why so many catch-wrestlers emphasize submission over position. How is that even possible? How can you submit a larger, stronger, heavier opponent when he's all over your ass?

If you are not controlling your opponent, then it means your opponent is controlling you... and if you are being controlled, how can you submit your opponent? The only way it seems is by chance or luck. It's already difficult enough, even with good skills to roll with guys that outweigh you by 40-50 pounds of solid muscle, much less submit them.

I've never seen a small catch guy, "catch" a big catch guy or even other big sambo, bjj, judo, etc... But I have seen small bjj guys "catch" all types of other styles. Stylistically, I don't feel there are too many differences between the individual techniques from style to style... A judo armbar is the same in bjj and sambo. The only difference is how you train... If you emphasize armlocks and you train, drill and perfect them, it doesn't matter what style you call yourself... you're gonna be great at armlocks... It just happens that bjj emphasizes ne-waza groundwork far more than most other styles, including Judo, so therefore, they drill and train ground techniques much more. In contrast, Judo players drill throws more and are therefore much better at throws then most bjj guys. But it's only because they train throws more... not because of technique... If Judo guys trained and emphasized groundwork more, and bjj guys emphasized throws more, we'd see pretty much two styles that fight exactly the same... Well, I guess the rules of the game would also dictate how you'd train also...

but that's just my opinion...

[Szczepankiewicz]

Who are you and what have you done...

...with FlyingClockChoke???!!!

Good post man.

Nice to see you're still alive and kicking. Where'd you go anyway? I thought they came to take you away?!


It's been boring without you!

Oh, BTW FCC my friend.

[sidder]

If judo guys trained in groundwork more.... Where would they learn the groundwork from? You're talking sense until you start conflating judo and bjj. There are other differences. Judo doesn't use wrestling and no gi throws. Judo learn many submissions in a less effective manner, too. I don't like the way juji gatame is usually taught in judo classes, both hands holding onto the wrist and giving the guy too much room to escape, etc.... We've heard all these things before. The difference between the two arts is not only one of emphasis, but also one of methodology, uniform variability, and also content (Judo just doesn't have omaplate and half guard escapes). Otherwise, many lifelong judoka would change their emphasis and compete in nhb.
As for catch, it's a nice supplement to bjj, not an alternative or superior option.

[flyinclockchoke]

hey sidder...

you are absolutely correct... judo and jiu-jitsu does have some major differences... and this can be attributed to a difference in rules. The rules of the game will dictate how you train. You will end up fighting EXACTLY like how you train...

As for groundwork, there are many ways to do an armlock, but you have to drill and train the hell out of armlocks to get them down to a science. Fortunately for us bjj guys, we spend a majority of the time on the ground drilling different techniques for the armlock, so we are quite comfortable with all the different variations, entries, setups, etc...

If Judo guys started spending just as much time on the mat, they will INEVITABLEY start to develop a better feel for ne-waza and discover for themselves, what is tight and what is not tight. Your elbow only hyperextends ONE WAY, and you can only do so many variations of the armbar. If you spend enough time on the ground, you will start to pick-up the nuances. The reason Judo guys don't spend as much time on the mat, and will NEVER spend as much time on the mat is because of the rules of their game. Not because they're idiots or don't know any better. I've trained with many Judoka myself, and I've been put in many armlocks that I haven't been able to escape from. I'm not the best Jiu-jitsu man in the world, but I don't suck and I know a tight armbar when I feel one. There are many Judoka out there with very tight armbars.

But I totally agree with you, the differences between Judo and BJJ is not only emphasis on groundwork but also methodology, uniform variablity and content. However, I firmly maintain that these differences can be attributed to different RULES. If suddently, there was a rule added to BJJ tournaments which included a 30 seconds pin rule, or standup after 30 seconds if no submission on the ground... what would that do to our game? It would dramatically change the way we train.

As for the omaplata, although I've never seen it used in a Judo tournament, I'm pretty sure that the GRACIES didn't invent it. You can find the omaplata in old Japanese Jiu-jitsu techniques. But just because BJJ guys didn't invent it doesn't mean that BJJ guys haven't drilled it to perfection or improved upon the technique, entries and variations.

The problem with most Judoka is that because of RULES, they don't train techniques, but rather holding on for 15-30 seconds so that the ref breaks up the action and stands them back up. For example, if I'm a Judoka and I'm on the bottom and you're passing my guard, instead of developing an AWESOME KICK ASS GUARD, all I train to do is tie you up for about 20 seconds so that you can't pass and there's a lull in the action... and the ref comes to stand us back up, which is what I wanted to do in the first place. That's all good because I want to throw your ass to the mat and win by ippon, because that's the way to play my game.

That's why Judoka give up their back, because they don't want to get pinned for 30 seconds and they figure if you take their back, but can't choke them out in 20-30 seconds, the ref is gonna come in and save the day. They're not thinking about how dangerous it would be in a real fight... it's a sport they're competing in...

...but I would suggest that you never try an omaplata (or some other half a dozen fancy-ass BJJ sweeps/submissions) in a real streetfight either... you may be in for a harsh surprise.

[duchman]

Omo plata, is a part of judo.Just look at the kosen video, and neil adams armlocks book.

modern competition judo, is not the whole art of judo.

i'l scann something in for you guy's later