Truce?

[CHOKE UK]

Falcon.
I agree with many of the points you make.
But sometimes going to the ground is unintentional,
and when that happens, you need to know what to do.

When you train bjja and the likes,
we fight until the tap-out,
but in a real fight, there is no tap out !
So either hold it, or finish it properly.

There are modification to adapt it to the street.

You incapacitate your opponent,
obviously this can not be done in trainning.

Personally I find the ground game much more technical,
but agree with you, that firstly I try to stand-up and defeat my opponent. But it doent always work out that way.
As you will know, if you are really hammering someone,
whats the first thing they will do?

grab hold of you, your arms, your jacket,your top etc,
the game has now changed slightly.........
FIRST INSTINT IS TO PUNCH/HOOK/KNEE/HEAD BUTT/ELBOW ETC THEM OFF,
BUT FAILING THAT..........IT TIME TO "GET ON DOWN" !

[Tom Yum]

Keep in mind you don't submit the guy you're fighting on the street; you go for a snap or loss of consciousness if necessary. But I agree MT is probably better in general for the same reasons, plus it sometimes gives smaller guys the upper hand. Did you catch the Sapp/Filopovic match in K1?

Sapp is an ex-NFL lineman and trains under Mo Smith. Filopovic is the Croation MT champ and a top European contender. Going into the fight, Sapp had a few impressive wins (which has to do with his enormous size, strength and realative mobility - 340+ lbs). He's huge in Japan...lol

Filopovic is about 4-5" shorter, ~100 lbs lighter and has a shorter reach but he still managed to KO the giant; and it was with a thai kick to the body in rd 2?

I also think MT is a great art for self-defense.

[CHOKE UK]

EXACTLY tom,

The slight variation, in say the arm bar,
gives more leverage and space,
and therefore the elbow has ........well had better days !
The damage can be quite horrific !

[falcon3624]

Mo Smith.......that name sounds familiar. That buddy of mine Melvin is undefeated in the NHB and after he ousted Lee King he had his next match in another state. After the match some guy that I guess I should know approached him and asked him to come and train with his guys........I might be wrong.....might just be one of those names that always sounds familiar. I know they had said the guy that approached Melvin had fought in the UFC I think. My buddy knows for sure what his name is and I'll ask him tonight at class. You can check out my buddy with the NHB, his name is Melvin and I think his record right now stands at 6-0 or 7-0. Then there is my other freind Ricky False, he is pretty good but nowhere near as good as Melvin (he just has good sponsorship for his fights).

[Tom Yum]

You're thinking of Pat Smith, a different kickboxer who fought in UFC 1. He elbowed the crap out of Scott Morris, the ninjitsu guy in his first fight. In his 2nd match Pat Smith got tapped out by Shamrock in UFC 1 via an ankle lock. In UFC II he allmost managed a takedown on Royce, but lost control on the ground and got tapped.

Mo Smith is awesome. He pummeled Tank (the 260+ brawler) with thai kicks to the leg which caused a submission. He's fought a lot of top name NHB guys and reminded the huge wrestlers (like Conan Silveira & Mark Coleman both over 250) that kicking hurts. He lost a decision to Kevin Randleman, a wrestler and then came back later. Others he has fought include Marco Ruas and Randy Couture, who are also legends.

[falcon3624]

Well, I don't remember the name of the guy that they said talked to Melvin but I am gonna them tonight.