Wong Jak Man kicked Brue's ass.

[medic06]

In all fairness he didn't say the world. He said America.

[Red Rum]

Yeah and I stated that. But that is a big claim

Ask anyone in the world who they know in martial arts and Dan Insonato will be very down th list!!

[medic06]

Pretty much everyone serious about martial arts, particularly the FMAs knows about Dan Inosanto in the states.

[Red Rum]

My CKD instructor who has been training for 30 years plus hasn't heard of him!!!

I was talking about people who don't do martial arts as well.

[jubaji]

My CKD instructor who has been training for 30 years plus hasn't heard of him!!!.

That sounds mighty fishy.

[Tom Yum]

Yeah. So? What are you arguing? He has still lived off the Bruce Lee name. And he isn't that great -

Dan Inosanto isn't that great?

My God, Red Rum...he's an extremely gifted martial artist and teacher, especially skilled in the blade arts.

Dan's a killer too.

I think he served in the US Army's 82nd airborne division (or was it 101st?) after enlisting in 1959.

he was ranked below my Sifu in a martial arts poll in Martial Arts Illustrated!! I doubt his influence would have spread without Bruce Lee

From what you've told us, it seems like your Sifu is doing alot for wing chun - making training alive and filling in gaps in the grappling range. That's awesome! Perhaps Chan is a higher rank in the art of wingchun compared to Inosanto...But you've got to give respect where its due.

Inosanto has made many, many contributions to the martial arts world. And so what if he studied under Bruce? Chances are your sifu studied from someone too. Experienced, talented martial artists and instructors are made - not born.

[wsdddoa012]

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Attacks why??

there is ALWAYS someone better then you!!!



I'd rather run into a burning building naked then see the argument here:

[Red Rum]

who the **** are you? Guro Dan Inosanto has probably done more for advancing martial arts than anybody else in the past century... Your CKD instructor??? And who, may I ask, is he?

Again that's in your opinion. Many boxers, BJJ guys have never heard of the guy. And I am sure there are even JKD guys who haven't heard of him.

Many wing chun guys I know have never heard of William Cheung or even Yip Man. Some people just don't care

If you want the name of my CKD instructor, private email me.

Do me a quick favour. Ask around your office, workplace who Dan Insonato is. Then ask who Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jean Claude Van Damme, Jet Li are. Compare the results.

As I made clear, I wasn't sayimng that Insonato was rubbish, I was just saying that some of the original posts put him on a pedestal. I was just saying that there are much better guys out there and it is a big statement to say that someone is the most influential person in the USA/world, whatever.

This is a JKD forum so there is a little bias....

But it is like me going onto the wing chun/Chinese arts forum and claiming that Wiliam Cheung is the most influential wing chun teacher in the USA

[medic06]

And he isn't that great - he was ranked below my Sifu in a martial arts poll in Martial Arts Illustrated

Ask anyone in the world who they know in martial arts and Dan Insonato will be very down th list

I was just saying that there are many more important martial artists in the world today

Bash bash bash. . . . .

I could show you some videos of Dan Inosanto in action but you claim you can't see them. . . .

[medic06]

Again that's in your opinion. Many boxers, BJJ guys have never heard of the guy. And I am sure there are even JKD guys who haven't heard of him.

Many wing chun guys I know have never heard of William Cheung or even Yip Man. Some people just don't care

If you want the name of my CKD instructor, private email me.

Do me a quick favour. Ask around your office, workplace who Dan Insonato is. Then ask who Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jean Claude Van Damme, Jet Li are. Compare the results.

As I made clear, I wasn't sayimng that Insonato was rubbish, I was just saying that some of the original posts put him on a pedestal. I was just saying that there are much better guys out there and it is a big statement to say that someone is the most influential person in the USA/world, whatever.

This is a JKD forum so there is a little bias....

But it is like me going onto the wing chun/Chinese arts forum and claiming that Wiliam Cheung is the most influential wing chun teacher in the USA

Backpeddle backpeddle backpeddle. . . . .

[Red Rum]

I have videos of Insonato. But I have just seen better.

I'm not disputing that Insonato isn't a good martial artist. I am just saying that he isn't that influential, compared to the many more influences that have come from America. Maybe from a JKD perspective he has given you guys a lot - although considering the title of this post I wouldn't hold out hope that many JKD guys respect him, especially if JKD guys are slating its own founder!!!

Why am I backpeddling? So far no-one has really given me any reason to doubt my statements. I have done 20 years of martial arts without having much to do with Insonato. He has not influenced me or any of my students.

[Tom Yum]

Do me a quick favour. Ask around your office, workplace who Dan Insonato is. Then ask who Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, Jean Claude Van Damme, Jet Li are. Compare the results.

LOL...well, I could just as easily ask if anyone knows Gustav Holst, Wynton Marsalis and Britney Spears. Chances are they only recognize Spears as a musician - despite the fact that the previous two names are very, very highly revered musicians.

Popularity is a nice and good thing, but its not a reflection of talent per se. Whether Inosanto is popular or not doesn't reflect on his contribution to the fighting arts or ability.

Red, its good to have a wing chunner, like yourself on board. Keep in mind that there are MA-ists that maybe few have heard of whom are highly skilled. Most have never heard of Chan before, so this is a new and interesting find.

[medic06]

I have videos of Insonato. But I have just seen better.

I'm not disputing that Insonato isn't a good martial artist. I am just saying that he isn't that influential, compared to the many more influences that have come from America. Maybe from a JKD perspective he has given you guys a lot - although considering the title of this post I wouldn't hold out hope that many JKD guys respect him, especially if JKD guys are slating its own founder!!!

Why am I backpeddling? So far no-one has really given me any reason to doubt my statements. I have done 20 years of martial arts without having much to do with Insonato. He has not influenced me or any of my students.

I wasn't sayimng that Insonato was rubbish

That sound familiar?

[wsdddoa012]

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Well I know for me anyways Dan Insanto hasnt influenced my martial arts or my training methods. Really I haven't heard of Dan giving an influence other then keeping JKD alive. Bruce Lee has had more of an influence then Dan in my martial arts.

I practiced TKD for 12 years. 17 years total of practicing, teaching and living the martial arts. I can honestly say that Dan Insanto really hasnt had much of an influence in the TKD industry as much as lets say JKD, FMA, or Kenpo Karate which I've heard he was an advance practitioner.

I'm not saying Dan Insanto hasnt done good things for the Martial Arts but I haven't heard of him making any big changes or revolutionizing the Martial Arts Industry, especially when it comes to various styles, all I've really ever heard is "Bruce Lee" "Bruce Lee" "Mr. Miyagi".. lol

[Red Rum]

Hahaha this is absolute nonsense. A guy gave an honest answer (that he hadn't heard of Inosanto) and you shot him down.

'LOL...well, I could just as easily ask if anyone knows Gustav Holst, Wynton Marsalis and Britney Spears. Chances are they only recognize Spears as a musician - despite the fact that the previous two names are very, very highly revered in classical and jazz, respectively.'

Yeah and I have never heard of them. The argument was about who they have inspired. Despite Britney having a limited amount of talent, she is an inspiration to millions of young people. I quite enjoy her songs to be honest and I am sure many guys on here have tapped their foot to a few of her songs. As for the jazz and classical guy - most have never heard of them, hence they cannot be the most influential people in America etc.

The statement we are pulling apart is that Inosanto is 'the most influential/best martial artist in the USA'

I am well aware that Master Kevin Chan is not known by many and that was my point - that he came higher in a martial arts poll than Insonato

My lineage is nothing to do with Insonato - it came pretty much direct through Ip Chun/Yip Man

The world works that everybody is influenced by soemthing else. As I am posting you guys right now, I am influencing your thoughts in a good/bad way. So in some ways you are correct that he may have influenced people without them realising, but so have I probably.

Mike, I hope you are joking about Inosanto starting up MMA, open karate tournaments, etc. My old karate instructor was involved in open karate tournaments before Inosanto was even born.

And I freely admit that my contribution to the martial arts is limited. Hey I'm not too bothered by that. I prefer to see the effects in person (seeing a student become very good) rather than influence the world in a watered down way