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great thanks! thats a good way to put it. both nhb and martial arts are serious games.
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Originally posted by bbbb
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Originally posted by bdipab
By the way BJJ is the most overhyped piece of crap martial art I've seen come about in a long time - it's so impractical it's scary. I've yet to see it's effectiveness in real world situations - on concrete with broken bottles, sidewalks with hydrants and steps, etc. Try to land safely with someone in your guard in those settings. Enjoy it for sport and learn a little on the off chance that you end up on the ground (don't believe bogus Gracie statistics - realize that much money is involved to make so many people tell such bold faced lies).
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The broken glass & lava approach. Haven't heard that in almost 30 seconds.
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Originally posted by jubaji......................................................
The broken glass & lava approach. Haven't heard that in almost 30 seconds.
Have you ever heard that BJJ is a bullet proof shield?
Some delusional Grand Master thinks it's ALL THAT because we all know HE invented the techniques that are BJJ...
Ready for this?
"If someone points a gun at you, of course, you will be scared. But jiu-jutsu gives me the equivalent of a bullet proof shield. It protects me from head to toe, plus it gives me the ability to take a gun away."
Helio Gracie. (via Doug Jeffrey. From the April '05 issue of GRAPPLING magazine)
It's my new favorite dumbass quote of the year...
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wow that is pretty stupid.
as much as i would like to bash bjj for that . i cannot since i have not trained it.Comment
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Originally posted by Rank7
This is much better than anything I could say about it. Many of the idiots that bash the BJJ DON'T have a clue to it's practical application. Being from the Judo school myself it didn't take long to see it for what it IS.
BJJ is good stuff but it's no bullet proof shield.
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i agree that bjj is over hyped. the gracie family dominated early on but now that everyone knows their tricks and trains on them, it is not as effective. for example....if rickson fought frank shamrock, he might win, might not...but i guarantee you he wouldnt dominate the guy like he did those in his "choke" movie. i am not agreeing that it is a piece of crap MA like bdipab is, i just think people need to stop worshiping bjj.Originally posted by bdipabBy the way BJJ is the most overhyped piece of crap martial art I've seen come about in a long time - it's so impractical it's scary. I've yet to see it's effectiveness in real world situations - on concrete with broken bottles, sidewalks with hydrants and steps, etc. Try to land safely with someone in your guard in those settings. Enjoy it for sport and learn a little on the off chance that you end up on the ground (don't believe bogus Gracie statistics - realize that much money is involved to make so many people tell such bold faced lies).Comment
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I say it's a piece of crap more so because of it's amazing status as a mcdojo art. Obviously there's things to be learned, but don't think that because someone practices bjj that they would own someone on the ground if they haven't practiced bjj. mma comps have rules and those favor bjj - a bite, well -placed pinch, eye jab, etc may just as likely take someone out on the ground as a bjj move. I just hate when people who are bjj practictioners buy into the hype and think their style is going to be helpful in the street because I doubt you'd really get a chance to use it to the best of it's abilities in urban warfare. if a grappler in a street fight has a nongrappler on the ground - who here would really say that the non grappler has no chance (he could find an f'ing brick and lay the bjj guy out). Maybe the comment was more harsh than I intended, but still don't buy into the hype.Comment
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Originally posted by bdipab
As I said many folks that bash the BJJ don't have a clue to it's practical application...
Making judgments about a particular style without ACTUALLY investigating it for yourself is moronic.
This statement from your post tells me a great deal about your experience and training. "a bite, well -placed pinch, eye jab, etc may just as likely take someone out on the ground as a bjj move".
Not even close my friend. You can bite a chunk off, take out my eyes and pinch all you want. A "BJJ MOVE" can kill you or leave you with broken bones, dislocated joints or just put you to sleep like a baby...
Go roll with the students of this style, then come tell me how much you know about it!Comment
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Originally posted by Tant01
wow, you're a moron actually. Let's take the instance of a bite. You arm bar someone and they decide to bite the tendon, which you've conveniatly placed over their mouth, in the pit of your leg (out of the two that run along either side of your leg and on other side of knee) I guarantee you will not be able to finish off your arm bar - you will let that person go and be screaming like a girl while you do so. Try it in a match. Also try your little bjj's holds on someone swinging at you the whole time - even during mma matches it's not so easy. Most of the time what finishes a fight is striking you idiot. You don't need to train for years to be able to strike on the ground either.
And you're advice to roll with students of this style is exactly what I'm talking about - how is that a real world application of the techique or in your class do they let you throw every single dirty move that someone in a street fight can. God some of you bjj guys are so brainwashed it's not even funny.
I have investigated it thoroughly, as I said in previous post there is someone to learn from bjj, but it is no where near as effective as people would like to believe it is - you won't own someone simply because you know bjj.Comment
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"wow, you're a moron actually. Let's take the instance of a bite. You arm bar someone and they decide to bite the tendon, which you've conveniatly placed over their mouth, in the pit of your leg (out of the two that run along either side of your leg and on other side of knee)"
Ouch......
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Yeah well try it and then tell me it doesn't hurt. I also see that you didn't contest any of my points or is that because you can't. I guess this then is an appropriate response and one that you're simple mind might understand betterOriginally posted by Tant01Ouch......
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more kung-foolery
No, you should try it and see how interested in tendon-eating you are with a broken arm.Originally posted by bdipabYeah well try it and then tell me it doesn't hurt. I also see that you didn't contest any of my points or is that because you can't. I guess this then is an appropriate response and one that you're simple mind might understand better .
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Originally posted by bdipab
You are exactly the kind of dojo-darling that, if he ever manages to get into a real fight (however unlikely), is completely shattered. And exactly the type that deserves it most. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya, champ.Comment
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bjj for self defense
recently i attended a Bjj dojo where there was guest instructor there by the name of roy harris(JKD). now there was an argument between him and one of the top belts in the class on how BJJ is way more effective than JKD. so... mr. harris and this guy agreed to spar a bit. immeadietly the Bjj guy put harris on the ground (extremely fast) . blew me away at the speed of the whole thing. he had him in a great hold and was squeezing until......harris bit him in the chest. immeadietly the bjj guy let go and i mean immeadietly. so many crazy viruses can be transmitted through the mouth in a good bite. the bjj guy was completely taken back by this as well as the whole class. its not as effective as the gracies would make you think(not allowed to bite in ufc). it is an awesome art but only when crosstrained with something else. dont rely on it by itself. as far as ground fighting nothing beats it. but only as a last resort . stay off the ground.
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