What is the best martial art style to learn?

[Tom Yum]

Modern weapon training is a martial art, whether shooting clay or target practice at a shooting range. The gun is an art. I don't read enough literature on the subject, but marksmanship is a fine motor skill.

I read about a jeweler once (who has been documented on several sources) whom happened to also be a highly trained marksman. 5 attempts were made to rob the place, 4 of them were attempts on this guys life.

End result?

This guy has 5 confirmed kills. Naturally he's had to move shop now and then. During two of the attempts on his life, the perpetrators entered the store firing from about 15 feet away and tried to close the distance. This gentleman dives, pulls and emptys and gets grazed by one of the shots (not bad considering there are 2 guys firing on him while closing). Once he hits the floor he pulls out more guns and kills both intruders before they can close the 5 foot gap.

An example of skill over strength, which is what martial arts are about.

[sakurastudent]

Jim Harrison's Ronin Goshin Jutsu is the best self-defense system out there period.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by sakurastudent
Jim Harrison's Ronin Goshin Jutsu is the best self-defense system out there period.

[BadgerFu57]

Originally posted by Tom Yum
Modern weapon training is a martial art, whether shooting clay or target practice at a shooting range. The gun is an art. I don't read enough literature on the subject, but marksmanship is a fine motor skill.

I read about a jeweler once (who has been documented on several sources) whom happened to also be a highly trained marksman. 5 attempts were made to rob the place, 4 of them were attempts on this guys life.

End result?

This guy has 5 confirmed kills. Naturally he's had to move shop now and then. During two of the attempts on his life, the perpetrators entered the store firing from about 15 feet away and tried to close the distance. This gentleman dives, pulls and emptys and gets grazed by one of the shots (not bad considering there are 2 guys firing on him while closing). Once he hits the floor he pulls out more guns and kills both intruders before they can close the 5 foot gap.

An example of skill over strength, which is what martial arts are about.

THAT IS FREAKING COOL! RED-NECK-TURK-Y-SHUTE-DO!

[shasan]

reality based fighting?

Senshido

real... and I mean REAL fighting.

www.senshido.com

cheers
shasan

[shasan]

yeah, the whole special forces thing I wouldn't put a lot of stock in.

I would give Law Enforcement H2H training a lot more credibility. Perhaps even CIA field agents (at the risk of sound cheesy) do a LOT more H2H than Marines, Army, Navy and Air Force combined. But I doubt we would ever learn what the CIA uses to train it's people.

Anyone who's seen or read about Special forces training knows that it's all about the weapons and military tactics. So forget about IDF, Marines, Delta, SEAL, SAS etc...

at Senshido.com they say all the normal stuff about teaching law enforcement and military, but at the same time, they talk about how REAL civilian people saved their own lives by emerging from a violent confrontation. Read some of their articles, amazing stuff... really cool.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by shasan
reality based fighting?

Senshido

real... and I mean REAL fighting.

www.senshido.com

cheers
shasan

At a cursory glance (e.g. I didn't thoroughly read everything on the site), it looks like a good system. However, "the shredder" is hardly anything new. You always need a hook to sell yourself. That is theirs I suppose. But, all the gouging, clawing, cranking, etc. can be found in most of the "undomesticated" fighting arts (for instance FMA's and Silat styles). For people who really have to fight to survive, they could care less about being "cheap" or "dirty". They will bite, claw, scratch, pinch, rake, gouge, whatever to win. All that stuff canb een seen in arts recently emerged from the "battleground"--but its good to see people reincorporating that into martial arts for self-defense purposes. So I give Senshido credit for that.

[ramus]

the best style is the closest art to u, and the one that fits u best.

[Angel-of-Death]

Robert G. - Wow....well, there it is, I guess...

Uhh...I guess I should kill myself.

Of course you do realize your the first person I've heard this from so it all sounds like a load of BS (I'm refering to your Ninjutsu theory'. I want to know exactly how you researched this and/or read about this. Otherwise if you have nothing I will laugh at you till the cows come home. Somewhat like this...'hahahahahaha...' and so fourth.

[RobertG]

Originally posted by Angel-of-Death
Wow....well, there it is, I guess...

Uhh...I guess I should kill myself.

Well don't let any of us stop you.

[Angel-of-Death]

Only after you prove to me. After that I have nothing left to live for and no, I shant let you folks stop me.

[shasan]

whether ninjitus was real or imagined, it is by far NOT the best art to learn for the specific purposes outlined at the beginning of this thread (real, malicious-attacker-type confrontations).

But you know what, I would think that vs. not knowing anything, it is probably a huge improvement. As long as you don't learn bad habits like the horse-riding stance and CRAP like that.... may be good for conditioning and building up leg strength but not in a streetfight bro.

[Angel-of-Death]

Yeah, well see, I’m 16 years old now. Traditionally boys started learning Ninjustu at the age of 7 or something and I figured I was far too old to start so it’s kind of remained a dream of mine (or possibly wishful thinking due to what I hear from Robert G.). I thought maybe I’d go in anyway and learn a few techniques or the whole thing, I don’t know.

Anyway, what I actually wanted to be was kind of like Jet Li was in Kiss of the Dragon. Smart and able to kick a boxer’s ass, a SWAT team and a gym of cops in trainee (or whatever they were) if I was forced to.

I figured if I was the character Jet Li was and knew a few other arts such as Ninjutsu I would be a very well rounded out fighter then no one could mess with me. Of course I do realize a lot of the stuff in the film was just movie magic, like sticking people in the neck with a needle and they die because all the blood goes to their head and blah blah blah. But I didn’t care about that anyway; I just wanted to fight like he did.

Oh well, I guess I should just go learn Jiujutsu or whatever else is popular these days.

[Half-Asleep]

ok well what has been sed about ninja so far...
i can neither prove nor disprove the existance of the ninja from what i have read of supposed ninja history it seems real to me from what i read there was actual instances of where there was a war where ninja were pretty much wiped out in japan i could prolly get dates when it was meant to have occured later.

i have no doubt that the art of ninjutsu would be different now to what it was when it was origionally performed in japan. u were saying something about how they wouldn't be using hand to hand techniques against samurai this could be explained by the fact that we are trained in how to use a variety of weapons.

as for it being ineffective a mate of mine has a friend (yes i know its a friend of a friend thing lol but many ppl know the guy and know he does ninja etc) beat up a group of multiple guys trying to attack him then ran for it as u do unfortunatly fell down running on sand and broke his leg lol the guys unfortunatly caught up to him and yeah lol not good for him.

where i learnt i was also trained in ju jitsu they were fairly similar. When it was sed that there were no ninja and no ninjutsu or if there was ninjutsu it was made up later then the fact a practitioner of ninjutsu (ninpo) can be known as a ninja doesn't really change its just what a ninja is that changes.

as far as it not being tested against ppl fighting back thats pretty much crap from what i can see i know several ppl that have done ninja and are exelant fighters and other friends who do hapkido are impressed by the skills taught in ninja and can't actually win in a fight against it from what i have seen also as for it only being good against someone with no fighting knowledge where i used to train we had a black belt at karate who was a friend of one of the guys there come in and attempt to fight one of the green belts and he lost badly.

So as u can see even if the ninjutsu i study is "fake" it is still effective and proven against other martial arts and tested on the streets. whether all ninpo places are the same i don't know but this place was part of the "Genbukan World Ninpo Bugei Federation" so i dunno about the rest of their dojo's but if u can find one of those n e one who is interested.

[Half-Asleep]

edit sorry double post isp being gay not letting pages load properly